Death Penatly should be banned in all countries...
its nothing more then a contradiction.Killing a man for murder only prooves your just a bad as he is.
MitsukaiXxX
#101
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I would be for the death penalty if we could always be 100% sure the person is guilty.Unfortunately, most of the time we can't. - that is not really a great idea. As you were saying, it will NOT bring back the person who was killed, or make any other victims forget about what happened.
And death penalty simply to remove these threats from harming anyone again.Not torturing them for revenge, i think that's just childish. - revenge is the only way you could feel better especially when you know the LAW is not always on your side. How would that be childish, a kid won't even think about that kind of thing, maybe a child soldier can.
What if we focused more on ways to prevent people from committing crimes, rather then focusing on how to punish them? - sick and tired of these words. this is what you can call childish. you can't do anything with the law unless you're a law breaker, what are you gonna do, tell these things to their face? everyone will hear you but no one is going to listen. it just doesn't make any difference.
Things like reducing the poverty line, providing better education, etc?I would say that it's really your country who is at fault here.
Why give prisoners the chance to get a free degree, and not free citizens?
Maybe if they had the chance to get an education, instead of living in the streets, they would not have ended up in prison.
Also, it seems like people in your country struggle to get three meals a day and clothes for their bodies.No wonder they resort to a life of crime.Who's really to blame here? - the government
We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others.
But just walk a mile in their shoes...then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues. - try to place yourself on their shoes and you'll know what it feels like.
One way to address this would be to stop arresting people for stupid things like possession of pot or other small violations. - for some reason, I certainly would like to agree with you. This is why I hate the police.... so much!
At least here in my country it's one big reason why prisons are so overcrowded.But when you live in a pluralistic society, which god's law would you follow?
If you are referring to Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian god) do you think we should stone to death a woman who was raped in a city, while allowing a father to sell his daughter into slavery?
I know this is off-topic, but come on people, we should follow the law of men as a society.If as an individual, you believe in a certain god and in his laws, follow them.But don't try to make them societal laws.No...It's not. - There is a separation of the church and the state for this topic. Please do study your political science and please do respect that. This is why I hate atheists. We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others, and that's from you.i'm really sorry for bumping in your opinions. i just don't agree with them.
Should the death penalty be applied to murderers of all ages?
blazergame
#102
It depends on your age and what kind of murder did you do i guess
Rekal188
#103
MitsukaiXxX · #101Death Penatly should be banned in all countries...Why do you think the you think the death penalty should be banned? If the death penalty was in all countries and was givin if u murdered or raped someone guess what? there would be alot less criminals!!
its nothing more then a contradiction.
MitsukaiXxX · #101Killing a man for murder only prooves your just a bad as he is.All I know is if someone killed the people i hold dear I would kill em if the law didnt work and i would gladly accept any consequencesAlso for the the topic question I believe that if you kill on purpose you can take the consequences no matter what age you are
dhanash
#104
i would've thought this topic would have been dead already...
as far as i know different age groups have different rights, and i personally thinkg they should just serverly punish you according to your age group i.e a teenager, make that person do community service or some kind of hard labor, after all we all know we hate doing work
as far as i know different age groups have different rights, and i personally thinkg they should just serverly punish you according to your age group i.e a teenager, make that person do community service or some kind of hard labor, after all we all know we hate doing work
crimson089
#105
Should the death penalty be applied to murderers of all ages? Personally I think... no. They should suffer or tortured to death like 10 years or more, death penalty is way too easy for an escape. Pain will surely make them realize what they have done. If they have sincerely changed inside the jail, give them a chance, free them. But in heavy cases like a man has killed 50 people, that's a different story. Tie him up, feed him ants, cut his fingers and feet, pull his eyeballs off, and so on until he lives miserably.
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Rekal188 · #103All I know is if someone killed the people i hold dear I would kill em if the law didnt work and i would gladly accept any consequencesif i were in that place, making him suffer is a sweet revenge. i'll make him bleed until he pleads to just take his life away. revenge is a strong emotion, and for me i can't control it, even if it takes my life.
christian_o18
#106
Well, If a 10 year old kid killed his/her parent(s), its just right for him to be charged of death penalty BUT we should also consider that a 10 year old kid is still a pediatric, unless he's 21 year old, he can be charged of D.P..Here in our country, Death Penalty was banned by our former president Estrada, even the Lethal Injection was banned.. The highest penalty here is Lifetime Imprisonment which for me is humanitarian BUT at the same time, it gives advantage to the wrongdoers because they know that there's no Death Penalty here..Here in our country, Philippines, child below the age of 21 years old and below who was accused of crime, will be sent to an institution (such as Boys Town, who specializes on rehabilitating and catering for these kind of clients) until they reach adulthood and by then, if proven guilty, can be charged of Lifetime Imprisonment and will be sent to jail..There is also a consideration to take before charging a person to such heavy punishment, example of conditions such as Schizoprenia that we all know that a person with this condition is not in his/her own self and thinking..Lets go back to the 10 year old child, Im sure every country has a special institution like our country who will cater to these kind of children until they reach the adulthood before they can be charged IF proven guilty.. :)We should also remember that A Wrong cannot be corrected by another Wrong.. Follow the Law Of God. :) He will put judgement to those people who kill another. :)
1prinnydood
#107
Rekal188 · #103Why do you think the you think the death penalty should be banned? If the death penalty was in all countries and was givin if u murdered or raped someone guess what? there would be alot less criminals!!So there are allot less criminals in Texas than in any other American State? You are talking crap.The death penalty is murder, pure and simple. Most civilised nations have banned it. Murder by proxy is the refuge of the morally bankrupt coward.
JohnnieBob
#108
I remember 2 10-12 year-old boys tortured a 6 year-old (or the likes) to death. They should be killed.
Loonylion
#109
Jamie Bulger.
Rekal188
#110
1prinnydood · #107So there are allot less criminals in Texas than in any other American State? You are talking crap.The death penalty is murder, pure and simple. Most civilised nations have banned it. Murder by proxy is the refuge of the morally bankrupt coward.No its not murder it's just getting rid of the sickos that will just murder and rape again
ace1o1
#111
well, no...only in violent, malicious murders should the death penalty be sought after.for one reason, there is this case - Murder in the First Gradethe boy didn't know what murder was. he had a gun and used it. should he be killed for this?i'm split. i'm unsure about it myself. i don't know why this kid had the gun or why he went to school with it. but i know that a 6 year old can't be held accountable for murder.
LD64The question here is:the death penalty shouldn't be applied to everyone. i'm not sure as to who, but it's very hard to say...it's really up to the circumstances and the people involved.this is a really hard topic for me to debate.
Was the person aware of their actions at the time of the muder?
r1motochick
#112
Yes, if anything, it can be an example for all the other little kids thinking the law can't do anything to them cuz of their age....
leonx3000
#113
crimson089 · #105Should the death penalty be applied to murderers of all ages? Personally I think... no. They should suffer or tortured to death like 10 years or more, death penalty is way too easy for an escape. Pain will surely make them realize what they have done. If they have sincerely changed inside the jail, give them a chance, free them. But in heavy cases like a man has killed 50 people, that's a different story. Tie him up, feed him ants, cut his fingers and feet, pull his eyeballs off, and so on until he lives miserably.I'm all for slow, painful tortures.
r1motochick
#114
I totally agree to this. That's why in so many 3rd world countries, crime is way down. It is out of fear.....
crimson089
#115
leonx3000 · #113I'm all for slow, painful tortures.just make sure he's been proven guilty ;D you really can't do this to the wrong person. you really shouldn't.
dhanash
#116
Justice is the same as revenge......
Oteupaiecona
#117
Wow!
A lot of the posts here seem to be focused on revenge, like torturing the accused.
Would this bring back the person who was killed, or make the rape victim forget about what happened?
I would be for the death penalty if we could always be 100% sure the person is guilty.Unfortunately, most of the time we can't.
And death penalty simply to remove these threats from harming anyone again.Not torturing them for revenge, i think that's just childish.
Do you really think someone will not murder because someone else got tortured?
Is the crime rate any lower in Iran or North Korea than it is in the USA or Canada?
What if we focused more on ways to prevent people from committing crimes, rather then focusing on how to punish them?
Things like reducing the poverty line, providing better education, etc?
Why give prisioners the chance to get a free degree, and not free citizens?
Maybe if they had the chance to get an education, instead of living in the streets, they would not have ended up in prison.
Also, it seems like people in your country struggle to get three meals a day and clothes for their bodies.No wonder they resort to a life of crime.Who's really to blame here?
We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others.
But just walk a mile in their shoes...then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues.(Everlast reference :) )
At least here in my country it's one big reason why prisons are so overcrowded.
If you are referring to Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian god) do you think we should stone to death a woman who was raped in a city, while allowing a father to sell his daughter into slavery?
I know this is off-topic, but come on people, we should follow the law of men as a society.If as an individual, you believe in a certain god and in his laws, follow them.But don't try to make them societal laws.No...It's not.
A lot of the posts here seem to be focused on revenge, like torturing the accused.
Would this bring back the person who was killed, or make the rape victim forget about what happened?
I would be for the death penalty if we could always be 100% sure the person is guilty.Unfortunately, most of the time we can't.
And death penalty simply to remove these threats from harming anyone again.Not torturing them for revenge, i think that's just childish.
Do you really think someone will not murder because someone else got tortured?
Is the crime rate any lower in Iran or North Korea than it is in the USA or Canada?
What if we focused more on ways to prevent people from committing crimes, rather then focusing on how to punish them?
Things like reducing the poverty line, providing better education, etc?
Luk7nk4But sending people to prison is more of a gift then punishment to them. It's like this in my country: You murder someone, you get sent to prison. Prisons have more luxury, than homes of some poor people. You can study ANYTHING in prison, get a degree and all for FREE( taxpayer's money).I would say that it's really your country who is at fault here.
Plus you are fed a warm meal three times a day, you get clothes and everything for free.
Why give prisioners the chance to get a free degree, and not free citizens?
Maybe if they had the chance to get an education, instead of living in the streets, they would not have ended up in prison.
Also, it seems like people in your country struggle to get three meals a day and clothes for their bodies.No wonder they resort to a life of crime.Who's really to blame here?
We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others.
But just walk a mile in their shoes...then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues.(Everlast reference :) )
Cahos Rahne VelozaLife sentence is actually a pretty good alternative to death penalty, but the problem resides with how large your country/Area's penitentiary facility is, if you have a big enough facility why not, but for some who already has an overcrowded facility it might not work, sample enough are my country's correctional facilities which are way over crowded, under staffed & those few staff that remain, some of them are corrupt & can be bought so some convicts can easily get lose.One way to address this would be to stop arresting people for stupid things like possession of pot or other small violations.
At least here in my country it's one big reason why prisons are so overcrowded.
christian_o18Follow the Law Of God. He will put judgement to those people who kill another.But when you live in a pluralistic society, which god's law would you follow?
If you are referring to Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian god) do you think we should stone to death a woman who was raped in a city, while allowing a father to sell his daughter into slavery?
I know this is off-topic, but come on people, we should follow the law of men as a society.If as an individual, you believe in a certain god and in his laws, follow them.But don't try to make them societal laws.No...It's not.
crimson089
#118
OteupaieconaWow!A lot of the posts here seem to be focused on revenge, like torturing the accused - why would you do such thing to an ACCUSED? that's not even lawful.
A lot of the posts here seem to be focused on revenge, like torturing the accused.
Would this bring back the person who was killed, or make the rape victim forget about what happened?
I would be for the death penalty if we could always be 100% sure the person is guilty.Unfortunately, most of the time we can't.
And death penalty simply to remove these threats from harming anyone again.Not torturing them for revenge, i think that's just childish.
Do you really think someone will not murder because someone else got tortured?
Is the crime rate any lower in Iran or North Korea than it is in the USA or Canada?
What if we focused more on ways to prevent people from committing crimes, rather then focusing on how to punish them?
Things like reducing the poverty line, providing better education, etc?I would say that it's really your country who is at fault here.
Why give prisioners the chance to get a free degree, and not free citizens?
Maybe if they had the chance to get an education, instead of living in the streets, they would not have ended up in prison.
Also, it seems like people in your country struggle to get three meals a day and clothes for their bodies.No wonder they resort to a life of crime.Who's really to blame here?
We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others.
But just walk a mile in their shoes...then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues.(Everlast reference :) )One way to address this would be to stop arresting people for stupid things like possession of pot or other small violations.
At least here in my country it's one big reason why prisons are so overcrowded.But when you live in a pluralistic society, which god's law would you follow?
If you are referring to Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian god) do you think we should stone to death a woman who was raped in a city, while allowing a father to sell his daughter into slavery?
I know this is off-topic, but come on people, we should follow the law of men as a society.If as an individual, you believe in a certain god and in his laws, follow them.But don't try to make them societal laws.No...It's not.
I would be for the death penalty if we could always be 100% sure the person is guilty.Unfortunately, most of the time we can't. - that is not really a great idea. As you were saying, it will NOT bring back the person who was killed, or make any other victims forget about what happened.
And death penalty simply to remove these threats from harming anyone again.Not torturing them for revenge, i think that's just childish. - revenge is the only way you could feel better especially when you know the LAW is not always on your side. How would that be childish, a kid won't even think about that kind of thing, maybe a child soldier can.
What if we focused more on ways to prevent people from committing crimes, rather then focusing on how to punish them? - sick and tired of these words. this is what you can call childish. you can't do anything with the law unless you're a law breaker, what are you gonna do, tell these things to their face? everyone will hear you but no one is going to listen. it just doesn't make any difference.
Things like reducing the poverty line, providing better education, etc?I would say that it's really your country who is at fault here.
Why give prisoners the chance to get a free degree, and not free citizens?
Maybe if they had the chance to get an education, instead of living in the streets, they would not have ended up in prison.
Also, it seems like people in your country struggle to get three meals a day and clothes for their bodies.No wonder they resort to a life of crime.Who's really to blame here? - the government
We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others.
But just walk a mile in their shoes...then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues. - try to place yourself on their shoes and you'll know what it feels like.
One way to address this would be to stop arresting people for stupid things like possession of pot or other small violations. - for some reason, I certainly would like to agree with you. This is why I hate the police.... so much!
At least here in my country it's one big reason why prisons are so overcrowded.But when you live in a pluralistic society, which god's law would you follow?
If you are referring to Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian god) do you think we should stone to death a woman who was raped in a city, while allowing a father to sell his daughter into slavery?
I know this is off-topic, but come on people, we should follow the law of men as a society.If as an individual, you believe in a certain god and in his laws, follow them.But don't try to make them societal laws.No...It's not. - There is a separation of the church and the state for this topic. Please do study your political science and please do respect that. This is why I hate atheists. We like to sit on our high chairs and judge others, and that's from you.i'm really sorry for bumping in your opinions. i just don't agree with them.
Oteupaiecona
#119
I don't see why you quoted my post entirely and then proceeded to just re-write everything i said with your words jumbled in with mine.
It would be a lot easier on the eyes if you could quote the specific parts of my post you want to adress, and then proceed to quote the next part, and so on.
A little more work on your part, but it would be appreciated.Sorry, i should of said the convict.
My point still stands.As i explained right after, the death penalty would not be for revenge, but simply to remove a threat from our society.
I would also like to add that such penalty would only be applied if one could be sure the convict had very slim chances of rehabilitation.
So, in other words, i oppose the death penalty.Well, we disagree here.
I don't think it would make me feel any better.
I don't think killing someone who killed someone you loved would bring closure to you.
This of course is opinion.Maybe the majority of people would feel better.Maybe they wouldn't.
I tried searching for some percentage of murder victims, if the death penalty brought them closure or not.I couldn't find anything.Anyone here know of any study like this?Revenge is childish, not torture.That's just stupid.Don't really know what you're trying to say here.
But in case you misunderstood me, i'm not saying we should not punish law breakers.
What i'm saying is that everyone seems to focus ONLY on punishment, and very rarely on ways to prevent it.Yes.
See?
We do agree on some things!WTF?
That's what i just said!?!Nice to see we agree again!
But the police are just doing their job.
Sure, many of them are pricks, but also they have to deal with the scum of the earth.It's only natural they act the way they do.
It's the governments and the courts who are at fault here.I don't know if you noticed the quote box right above my statement, but i was replying to a poster who was suggesting we should use his god's laws to make legal decisions.
Separation of church and state is what i believe in.That is exactly why i said what i said.Well, you seem to hate a lot of people.
I feel sorry for you.
All that hatred can't be healthy.
A word of advice, in case you want to listen:
Don't generalize.
Not all cops are bad.
Not all atheists think like me.Yeah, i'm not perfect.
But this coming from someone who just told me he hates specific groups of people, doesn't really tick me off.I thank you for bumping in my opinions.
I enjoy debating.
If not, i wouldn't post here! ;)
It would be a lot easier on the eyes if you could quote the specific parts of my post you want to adress, and then proceed to quote the next part, and so on.
A little more work on your part, but it would be appreciated.Sorry, i should of said the convict.
My point still stands.As i explained right after, the death penalty would not be for revenge, but simply to remove a threat from our society.
I would also like to add that such penalty would only be applied if one could be sure the convict had very slim chances of rehabilitation.
So, in other words, i oppose the death penalty.Well, we disagree here.
I don't think it would make me feel any better.
I don't think killing someone who killed someone you loved would bring closure to you.
This of course is opinion.Maybe the majority of people would feel better.Maybe they wouldn't.
I tried searching for some percentage of murder victims, if the death penalty brought them closure or not.I couldn't find anything.Anyone here know of any study like this?Revenge is childish, not torture.That's just stupid.Don't really know what you're trying to say here.
But in case you misunderstood me, i'm not saying we should not punish law breakers.
What i'm saying is that everyone seems to focus ONLY on punishment, and very rarely on ways to prevent it.Yes.
See?
We do agree on some things!WTF?
That's what i just said!?!Nice to see we agree again!
But the police are just doing their job.
Sure, many of them are pricks, but also they have to deal with the scum of the earth.It's only natural they act the way they do.
It's the governments and the courts who are at fault here.I don't know if you noticed the quote box right above my statement, but i was replying to a poster who was suggesting we should use his god's laws to make legal decisions.
Separation of church and state is what i believe in.That is exactly why i said what i said.Well, you seem to hate a lot of people.
I feel sorry for you.
All that hatred can't be healthy.
A word of advice, in case you want to listen:
Don't generalize.
Not all cops are bad.
Not all atheists think like me.Yeah, i'm not perfect.
But this coming from someone who just told me he hates specific groups of people, doesn't really tick me off.I thank you for bumping in my opinions.
I enjoy debating.
If not, i wouldn't post here! ;)
crimson089
#120
- not much work, just a few ctrl c and v, and i just like the color of purple lol, ok sorry i'll make it easier for your eyes only heheh - it doesn't remove the threat, death penalty is not justice and it should not be applied to murderers of all ages - what are you talking about, revenge doesn't mean killing. anyone here know of any study like this?
I feel bad for you.
Why not generalize,
Not all cops are good.
Not all atheists think like you, that's true. Not all religious people think the way I do too.
i'm not perfect. i do agree i hate certain groups of people because of their ways, if that's not healthy then i can't just like them or what, i can do nothing about it. - okay, let's just keep it healthy ;D
Revenge is childish, not torture.That's just stupid.Don't really know what you're trying to say here.- so we're talking about revenge here. ever heard of 'an eye for an eye'? Although many aspects of vengeance resemble the concept of justice, revenge connotes a more injurious and punitive focus as opposed to a harmonious and restorative one. Whereas justice generally implies actions undertaken and supported by a legitimate judicial system, by a system of ethics, or on behalf of an ethical majority, revenge generally implies actions undertaken by an individual or narrowly defined group outside the boundaries of judicial or ethical conduct. The goal of revenge usually consists of forcing the perceived wrongdoer to suffer the same or greater pain than that which was originally inflicted. and for torture, they deserve it. they should have use their heads before doing all those actions. i want to hear your side of which it is childish. - everyone? on punishment? are you kidding, everyone seems to focus on taxes! - heheheh - that Law of God he was talking about was morality, nothing else. he didn't say use it to make Legal decisions. - Well, you seem to like a lot of people.
I feel bad for you.
Why not generalize,
Not all cops are good.
Not all atheists think like you, that's true. Not all religious people think the way I do too.
i'm not perfect. i do agree i hate certain groups of people because of their ways, if that's not healthy then i can't just like them or what, i can do nothing about it. - okay, let's just keep it healthy ;D
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