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mikeacPeople choose their purpose and details of their life before the come to earth.is what i am getting at
equitypetey · #41that's not what he said....is what i am getting athow come people choose their life?earth is not the only habitable planet nor it is important in the universe.no one out there will care for the earth...If they choose..why earth!why god care so much about earth that he made other places so unsafe!
equitypeteyok you do realize your starting to sound crazy.Lol. That is what my mom (and Sylvia Brown) theorizes.
did you get this idea from anywhere or is it just your own opinion?
allkratos · #43how come people choose their life?earth is not the only habitable planet nor it is important in the universe.no one out there will care for the earth...If they choose..why earth!why god care so much about earth that he made other places so unsafe!True. Devout religious people think that earth is the only planet out of the infinite space that could sustain life.
snebbers · #44I would also like to know the answer to that..A loving god would not create life, for it would also mean death and suffering.Listen, okay, I am not crazy, but this is what my mom (and indirectly Sylvia Brown) thinks, and tells me. I don't like arguing with her, but here is what she thinks. If a loving God did not create life, than what did? There has to be a man behind this. The Mother God is emotional, while Father God is logical. (Again crap I doubt) The logical Father God wanted to create the universe, oversee, and study it, while mother god cares for the things he created. Father God helps you plan your life, and since happiness and serenity is apparently the only feeling you feel in heaven, you have no idea what you are in for. Mother God is the one who tries to emotionally help you in life. As everything happens for a reason, then we should have a reason why we exist.I know I sound insane right now. STFU and read Sylvia Brown's books, my mom made me read one of them, and I thought she was insane also. The one I read was 'Mother God'. By the way I think Brown is spelled wrong (might be Browne).
mikeacGod does not punish.Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?(Just one of many examples)
He does not have 'rules'. Unless you are talking about the commandments.There are over 600 commandments in the Bible.
Yeah, God will covet his neighbors posessions, murder and steal, uhuh.Seems like he was pretty jealous of the other gods that other tribes worshiped.
He is not a tyrant or a dictator, as he did not force people to 'obey' him. And people don't have to 'obey' him, as he cannot force us in what to do.Except if you don't, you'll go to hell.
Your hero is the guy that pretty much betrayed God,I would of done the same if god was real.
rules HellBy choice?
he is technically a tyrant, as he forces people to be tortured when they don't want to be, and is a dictator in his own special way.So your saying that God has no power over Satan, and that God can't stop people from going to hell.
People choose their purpose and details of their life before the come to earth. If life was completely random, unplanned and unsupervised, life in general would be like California's economy.Don't know what you mean by your analogy, but life seems a lot more random then it seems like it was pre-planned before we were born.
Mark_80Guess that means if i put a gun to your head, and tell you to give me your money, i am not forcing you to give me your money.Same reason. You had a choice to steal my money, or leave me alone. Guess what, since you chose to steal my money, so you would go to hell when you die. I would not give it to you. I'd rather be shot to death. You are not forcing to give me money, as it is my choice to give in or die. A force is where you cannot choose at all. For example, if someone were to nail you to the ground, and you cannot move, and he puts a gun to your head, what are you gonna do? The only choice I can think of is death. Bleeding on him would not do anything.What an amazing, kind god the Christian God is, isn't he?Nice Zelda Goddess rebuttal. I cannot counter that kinda logic. It would be weird though, if that was true.WHEN I DIE:
It's your choice.You can either give it to me and live, or not and die.I'm not forcing you on anything.I would of done the same if god was real.
mikeacLol. That is what my mom (and Sylvia Brown) theorizes.People choose their purpose and details of their life before the come to earth. If life was completely random, unplanned and unsupervised, life in general would be like California's economy.
mikeac · #49Note: I don't believe in half the shit my mom, Sylvia Brown, or the christian bible says. I'd rather be a Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu person, no matter how out there that religion is.
mikeac · #49You know what, I'm gonna end my posts right here. Since science cannot explain the creation of earth and the existence of God, I need something to fall back on until that happens, so I have a little faith in my parents, Sylvia Browne, God, and all that great stuff.Listen kid. Do yourself a favor and reject everything your mom and Sylvia Browne said regarding religion. The superficial reason of "because some person said so" that somehow becomes sufficient enough to stop people like you from questioning things logically is exactly how ignorance is spread. After all, you told someone to "STFU and read Sylvia Browne", which wasn't a good sign about you in particular.A little exercise for you to try: ask your mom how is it possible that "people choose their purpose and details of their life before being born". Also ask her to supply some actual facts and evidence to base it off from.If she can't give a proper answer to my question, then her theory is completely baseless, which is logically sufficient enough to be rejected. But regardless, I'm interested in what your mom has to say. I do look forward to debating with her.By the way:
People choose their purpose and details of their life before the come to earth. If life was completely random, unplanned and unsupervised, life in general would be like California's economy.^ That is a logical fallacy. Specifically, it's a non sequitur as there is no flow of logic at all between those two statements. Also, you failed to look into a possibility that people can plan their lives while living, and in many cases, people's plans do change due to certain events that occur, like getting laid off from a job, natural disaster destroying their home, or having a car accident. But of course, you have yet to learn this as you are a young boy that has yet to gain real life experience yourself.
HyprMark_80, you deserve an internet from me.Seriously, you've covered all my arguments plus more.Listen kid. Do yourself a favor and reject everything your mom and Sylvia Browne said regarding religion. The superficial reason of "because some person said so" that somehow becomes sufficient enough to stop people like you from questioning things logically is exactly how ignorance is spread . After all, you told someone to "STFU and read Sylvia Browne", which wasn't a good sign about you in particular.A little exercise for you to try: ask your mom how is it possible that "people choose their purpose and details of their life before being born". Also ask her to supply some actual facts and evidence to base it off from.If she can't give a proper answer to my question, then her theory is completely baseless, which is logically sufficient enough to be rejected. But regardless, I'm interested in what your mom has to say. I do look forward to debating with her.By the way:^ That is a logical fallacy. Specifically, it's a non sequitur as there is no flow of logic at all between those two statements. Also, you failed to look into a possibility that people can plan their lives while living, and in many cases, people's plans do change due to certain events that occur, like getting laid off from a job, natural disaster destroying their home, or having a car accident. But of course, you have yet to learn this as you are a young boy that has yet to gain real life experience yourself.^ Too damn right.
mikeacNote: I don't believe in half the shit my mom, Sylvia Brown, or the christian bible says. I'd rather be a Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu person, no matter how out there that religion is.this is the statement i find the biggest bug bare with the many people that say it.i have herd it allot, people that are religious often say that other religions sound like crazy nonsense while maintaining that there's is true yet theirs has the same amount of questionable "proof" as the rest.i find it odd that people can see the faults in other religions that debunk them yet still defend there own with the same statements the others do.it's like holding a mirror to the person and them believing they can't see anything at all even though their own reflection is staring them right in the face.
allkratos · #53Religions are too old to cope with modern human thinking.Everything has to change,religions included.I want to believe that there is science explaining this man, I really do, but what other choice do I have? I exist just because I want to? Thing is, as long as I am under my mom's roof, and she is alive, she will never let me become an atheist. I will probably become an atheist when I grow up, cause some scientist(s) will eventually come up with a discovery on why we were created. Hopefully...The only reason I have a bit of faith in my religion is cause there is no current discoveries on the existence of the universe.The reason I said STFU and read a Sylvia Browne book is cause if you see what SHE thinks, you will understand. At least Google her name.And that is really, REALLY out there. Since she is a 'psychic', she can 'see' the 'true' religion.The only time I ever was shocked by a psychic is when my mom called one, I accidentally eavesdropped (picked up the home phone) and listened to what they were saying. She did not give any info to the place she signed up for, just a name and phone number, and called in ten minutes, AND THE PSYCHIC NEW A YON ABOUT HER LIFE. He knew about her lawsuit, me and my brother, our age, our hobbies, our dad's name, and our money issues at the time. Scared the bloody crap outta me. He even told her someone was eavesdropping, and I immediately cut the connection...
Hypr · #51Mark_80, you deserve an internet from me.Seriously, you've covered all my arguments plus more.Thank you!
allkratos · #53Religions are too old to cope with modern human thinking.Everything has to change,religions included.I believe they are.
equitypetey · #54this is the statement i find the biggest bug bare with the many people that say it.i have herd it allot, people that are religious often say that other religions sound like crazy nonsense while maintaining that there's is true yet theirs has the same amount of questionable "proof" as the rest.i find it odd that people can see the faults in other religions that debunk them yet still defend there own with the same statements the others do.it's like holding a mirror to the person and them believing they can't see anything at all even though their own reflection is staring them right in the face.I find it ironic that Matthew 7:3-5 fits so perfectly into what you said here. :D
mikeac · #56I want to believe that there is science explaining this man, I really do, but what other choice do I have? I exist just because I want to?You exist because your parents conceived you.
mikeac · #56Thing is, as long as I am under my mom's roof, and she is alive, she will never let me become an atheist.She can't control your thoughts.
mikeac · #56I will probably become an atheist when I grow up, cause some scientist(s) will eventually come up with a discovery on why we were created. Hopefully...Why does there have to be a "why"?
mikeac · #56The only reason I have a bit of faith in my religion is cause there is no current discoveries on the existence of the universe.On the existence?
mikeac · #56The reason I said STFU and read a Sylvia Browne book is cause if you see what SHE thinks, you will understand. At least Google her name.And that is really, REALLY out there. Since she is a 'psychic', she can 'see' the 'true' religion.Since you put 'see' and 'true' between marks, i can assume you were being sarcastic, right?
mikeac · #56The only time I ever was shocked by a psychic is when my mom called one, I accidentally eavesdropped (picked up the home phone) and listened to what they were saying. She did not give any info to the place she signed up for, just a name and phone number, and called in ten minutes, AND THE PSYCHIC NEW A YON ABOUT HER LIFE. He knew about her lawsuit, me and my brother, our age, our hobbies, our dad's name, and our money issues at the time. Scared the bloody crap outta me. He even told her someone was eavesdropping, and I immediately cut the connection...Watch this South Park episode.
mikeacThe only time I ever was shocked by a psychic is when my mom called one, I accidentally eavesdropped (picked up the home phone) and listened to what they were saying. She did not give any info to the place she signed up for, just a name and phone number, and called in ten minutes, AND THE PSYCHIC NEW A YON ABOUT HER LIFE. He knew about her lawsuit, me and my brother, our age, our hobbies, our dad's name, and our money issues at the time. Scared the bloody crap outta me. He even told her someone was eavesdropping, and I immediately cut the connection...On top of what both, Mark_80 and equitypetey said, I can prove to you DIRECTLY that 'psychics' are con-artists that prey on gullible people like you. Why don't you PM me your name and phone number, and I'll PM you back all the relevant information about you and your family. I'm not a psychic myself, but I'm damn certain I can hit all your details with DEAD ON ACCURACY just like that 'psychic' did.And after that, I'll reveal all the "psychic's" tricks to you.EDIT: Screw it. Here's what the psychic did.To locate your home address, she looked you up on the Whitepages using the Reverse Lookup function. Try it out for yourself and see.And after that, it was just a simple fetch from an information database. Intelius is one such database in which all your information can be pulled up from with a fee. Speaking of fees, THAT is the reason why your consultation session fees with psychics are absurdly high. From that database, all your personal info about yourself, family, and relatives can be pulled from there.Got a MySpace, Friendster, or a Facebook account? Guess what? The 'psychic' can also pull info about your friends, as well as schools you have attended from there too. All it takes is a simple Google search.Is that enough to debunk the mystification of 'psychics' for you? Or are you still not convinced yet?Also mikeac, I really pity you. I really do. From all the posts you have made in this topic so far, it is clear to me that your mother is a horrible parent as she is instilling ignorance into you. If you want to become an atheist, what the hell is she going to do about that? Kick you out of the house? Frankly, I see that as a great bargain for you as you deserve a better mom than that. Your mother is a nutcase, which makes her an unfit parent in my book. If she was a good parent, she would at least teach you something about reality and real world experience, but alas, like most American parents, she is doing quite the opposite by shoving her imaginary friends down your throat.