Britain's 2010 Elections

markswanI don't think that the number of Muslims whom commit crimes is any higher than the number of Christians, Catholics or most other religious groups in this country

immigrants are a minority right?
how come a minority takes up 70% of space in our jails?
its because they cause more crimeheres a quote i just found on bnp website:
Overcrowding in prisons will be solved by the deportation of the tens of thousands of foreign criminals to serve their sentences abroad in their home countries. This act alone will free up to 70 percent of jail space in many prisons.

LoonylionAnd condemning the BNP means supporting the destruction of the British nation and way of life.

Supporting the BNP means the destruction of this nation and our way of life.

Clearly not or you wouldn't still be parroting the garbage that the media pumps out every day. Or stereotyping BNP members. you'd make a perfect UAF member the way you're going on.

I'm not a violent, hateful lowlife; don't judge everyone else by your own standards.

Funnily enough, statistics suggest otherwise. There are entire towns in this country where white people dare not venture for fear of getting attacked by the muslim gangs that consider the town 'their turf'. in the cases where whites HAVE been attacked, it has almost never been recorded as a 'racially motivated' incident even when the gang members were yelling 'infidels out' and other such bile. were the situation reversed then it would most certainly be classed as a racial attack and the victims would be awarded compensation. Do the 'moderate muslims' do anything about this? Very little.

Apart from condemn it, what do you expect them to do about it? When i quoted the vicious homophobic comments made by BNP members in an earlier post, i didn't hear you condemning them; you didn't even acknowledge them, the racist quotes either; you just spouted a load of crap about fabrication and lies on the part of the media. And now you're using isolated examples of racial hatred to justify the awarding of power over British citizens to a party founded on racism.

it's not just 'captain hook' causing problems here, and nor is it the 'tiny minority' you are implying it is. It may well be a minority, but its a large minority. Large enough to be a serious problem and a cancer on our society and the religion itself.

I feel the same way about the BNP

If these people 'do not represent islam' then damn well throw them out of the religion. Otherwise they will continue to tarnish islam by association. Christianity can excommunicate clergy who bring the church into disrepute, islam can perfectly well give the radical clerics the boot. It doesn't, so further tarnishment by association, and no action from the muslim council of britain aside from token hand-wringing and chanting the sacred mantra 'these people do not represent islam'. Time for islam to put its money where its mouth is and DO something about it. decisive action; not excuses. Otherwise difficult questions are going to be asked, and straight answers demanded.

Followers of Islam recognise only Allah and the Prophet Mohammed as their leaders, they don't have a single human head of their religion like the Pope; the Muslim Council of Britain doesn't have any spiritual authority over Muslims, they can no more "give radical clerics the boot" than you or i can. They can try to stop them speaking at mosques and publicly denounce them, but they can't officially push them out of the religion as Christian leaders can. At least that's what my prior knowledge and research shows.

your attitude to the future of the british nation disgusts me.

Ditto

LoonylionLoonylion: You're the delusional one. I never said that video was faked, I said it is POSSIBLE to fake videos, which is perfectly correct.

by saying "funnily enough, videos can be faked these days." aren't you implying that you think that the video HAS been faked.

LoonylionAnd the way a large number of muslims behave in this country, islam is a cancer in our society. If they would behave themselves, or the decent muslims would come out of the woodwork and condemn their behaviour, and try to stop it, then there wouldnt be any problem.

I wasn't going to say anything else about this comment- but I really don't think that I should let you leave it at that. I don't understand how you can call a WHOLE race of people and culture a cancer. I mean seriously, by saying this you are condemning about 2 million people in the UK. You’re saying that my parents, my brothers and sisters, all of my family and the people that they know are not just a hindrance or something that should be tolerated, but a CANCER- something that is eating away at your society, that we have absolutely nothing to contribute and all that we do is wrong. I cannot believe that you could really say such a thing.
I completely understand that there are a substantial amount of people who use the teachings of Islam as a means to attack and bring terror. THAT is the cancer! And how can you say that other Muslims do not resent these people? Do you really believe that we are not angry at the people who act like this? Do you not think we are aware of the gruesome image it portrays of Islam? Don’t you think I hated it when people at my school used to tell me to “go blow up a building”? There is A LOT of Islamic work out there to show that these people who are using terror tactics in society are causing sin. You talk of how the media is a corrupt tool that portrays only what certain people want- do you think that the normal Muslim’s who resent terrorism get ample opportunity to display their feelings? Of course not; such voices are already lost to the sea of hatred.
Loonylion I understand you frustrations but please think a little more before you project such rash statements. You are an intelligent person and shouldn’t have to have to resort to saying such despicable things.

Re: Britain\'s 2010 Elections

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adnan1992, i just want to get something clear with you.
I have nothing against muslims, blacks or gays, ive got family and friends who fall into all 3 categories. and my friend who is black is also voting BNP because of the same reasons i give.
All i want is to stop immigration because the country is full, theres not enough jobs as it is, not enough houses etc my friend and his girlfriend have a 2 month old son and have to live in a hostel.
Billions gets wasted each week on benefits, wouldnt it be better used for something else?
im not saying deport everyone, just stop more people coming in, at least until were in a position to take them.
this may sound harsh to some people but seriously look at the future of the country, it cant sustain this for long and why should we? we have worked hard and paid our taxes for our NHS and our education. its all going tits up because the government just let more and more people in every day that we just cant afford.australias system seems to work, a friend emigrated there, after a few months he lost his job and got deported. their government isnt wasting their money on supporting him and rightly so.Post Merge: [time]1271921402[/time]
oh yeah, just in case anyone thinks im racist/been too harsh etc etc my stepmother is an immigrant, shes russian
that doesn't change the fact that the country is full

thats the whole point mr swan
morals? pffft, keep them.

I have every intention to.

your whole arguments

Debates

(yes all 3 of them i have been involved in) have come down to nothing but your morals.

Every argument i have put forward in all three of the threads are backed by my knowledge, logic and facts; and i've never been afraid to admit when i'm wrong.

you are quite clearly unable to see past them and see things how they really are. you seem to live in some fantasy land where been a good boy will enable you a fantastic life.

I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that i have argued my points in the threads that you are referring to out of my own selfish sense of self-preservation and gain; in all three threads i have been defending people whose only likeness to me is the fact that they're human beings (which is more than enough), i think that you're projecting.

you obviously have had a sheltered life.

You have absolutely no idea how unsheltered my life has been.

would you please explain to me how the BNP are nazi's, racists and fanatic lunatic?
would you please explain to me the faults in their policies?

I have done these things repeatedly in this damned thread, or like Loonylion; are your eyesight and memory so selective that they only see and remember what you want them to?

no morals this time please just FACTS

If i were to look at the BNP party without any morals, then yes, you're right; they are a pretty damn good party. They hate gays and anyone that isn't white and "indigenous", but i'm not gay and i am indigenous; so what the fuck do i care?
If they fulfil their party's purpose and make the white race the ultimate authority in this country, that's all the better for me; i'm white.
And because i have no morals, i couldn't give a flying shit that other people are being harassed and assaulted; because as long as i don't step out of line and try and stop it, i can enjoy all the benefits of having power over lesser races whilst living in a country with no immigrants or corrupting religions other than Christianity.

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Who are all seen as degenerate mongrels by the BNP
>Implying that supporting a party well known for being anti-Islam, homophobic and racist doesn't make you any of those things because you'd just be the organ grinder granting them power and not the monkey/s savaging other people for being different.
>Implying that knowing ethnic groups makes it more OK to support fascist groups than if you didn't

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For all i know you could be telling the truth, but i find it incredibly hard to believe that a black person would vote for the BNP, knowing their racist background, just because they'll stop immigration.

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The BNP are not a moderate party, despite their recent approach of laying off on the racism and wording their polices very carefully; they are still a party founded on white-supremacy and general bigotry. If they were elected into power they would drop the veil and begin enacting the extremist policies that all their members have their minds on behind closed doors.

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Oh God, there are far more reasons for the state of our country today than immigrants; and working immigrants pay taxes here too, as do their descendants.

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Using Australia's approach to immigration would benefit us greatly, and any party could do it; the BNP isn't the only answer.
To be honest i'm sick of conversing with the two of you, you're both racists and i can't be bothered chasing your posts in a circle any longer. It's obvious that you're both so fixated on the BNP's policies (which are apparently the answers to all our nations problems) to care about their prejudice and filth. I think think that the BNP and its supporters are an embarrassment to our country, and the fact that Loonylion and yourself are far from being stupid (despite the fact that your opinions are) and yet see fit to support them is pretty sickening. But i'm not going to lose sleep over it, the Internet isn't a place that i'd spend any amount of time if i weren't immune to being offended by ignorance.

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thats all i wanted to hear :)

markswan · #125i find it incredibly hard to believe that a black person would vote for the BNP, knowing their racist background, just because they'll stop immigration.

u better beleive it im black

markswan · #125If i were to look at the BNP party without any morals, then yes, you're right; they are a pretty damn good party.

Your so-called 'morals' allow you to vote for a party of pathlogical liars, thieves and traitors, yet you can't vote for the BNP because of what they were like 20 years ago? you sir, need help.

msg2009 · #124adnan1992, i just want to get something clear with you.
I have nothing against muslims, blacks or gays, ive got family and friends who fall into all 3 categories. and my friend who is black is also voting BNP because of the same reasons i give.
All i want is to stop immigration because the country is full, theres not enough jobs as it is, not enough houses etc my friend and his girlfriend have a 2 month old son and have to live in a hostel.
Billions gets wasted each week on benefits, wouldnt it be better used for something else?
im not saying deport everyone, just stop more people coming in, at least until were in a position to take them.
this may sound harsh to some people but seriously look at the future of the country, it cant sustain this for long and why should we? we have worked hard and paid our taxes for our NHS and our education. its all going tits up because the government just let more and more people in every day that we just cant afford.australias system seems to work, a friend emigrated there, after a few months he lost his job and got deported. their government isnt wasting their money on supporting him and rightly so.Post Merge: [time]1271921402[/time]
oh yeah, just in case anyone thinks im racist/been too harsh etc etc my stepmother is an immigrant, shes russian
that doesn't change the fact that the country is full

I have not, at any point thought that what you have been saying is racist, on the contrary i believe that it is noble, and very commendable, that you stand up for the rights to preserve your own race and culture without being racist.i have not looked in depth at BNP policies but i take your word that they are not racist, but you must agree with me that a lot of people who have feelings similar to your own but ARE racist aswell are what give the BNP a worse name. no? It may be evident that it is the way that nick griffin has acted in the past being a substantial cause to why racism flocks around the party.And markswan, could i perhaps ask you to actually comment one some of the BNP policies that you believe are racist. I myself will see if i can do so, and if so, maybe some of our doubts can actually be shattered or solidified instead of running around in circles as this seems to be doing.and also

msg2009 · #126thats all i wanted to hear :)

perhaps you should read the rest of that paragraph? or is it me failing to get a joke? XD

What Im worried or disgusted about is the way that someone can just "prefer" to come to this country.We can allow people that are qualified or have money to enter,and refuse the rest.Any asylum seeker will need to have "evidence" why they have left there own country,if they want in here.
I would also like to know what Mark thinks of Thailands immigration policy.Now heres a 3rd world country only accepting people who are either 50 years old or have a lot of cash.And when they are allowed in,they are legally not allowed to own anything.

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International law states you can only claim asylum in the first safe country you come to. Meaning that the only people who can legally claim asylum in Britain are irish, french or danes.

theunderling · #130What Im worried or disgusted about is the way that someone can just "prefer" to come to this country.We can allow people that are qualified or have money to enter,and refuse the rest.Any asylum seeker will need to have "evidence" why they have left there own country,if they want in here.
I would also like to know what Mark thinks of Thailands immigration policy.Now heres a 3rd world country only accepting people who are either 50 years old or have a lot of cash.And when they are allowed in,they are legally not allowed to own anything.

what about family? :/

What do you mean by "family".Ive watched Sky 3's UK Border Patrol programme,so I know all the dodges.And here is a post Ive just read on another forum,Ive pasted it in........................ENGLAND (I think this really sums it all up.)After hearing that many cities did not want to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights, so DIDN'T!After learning that the British Red Cross shops were instructed not to display Christmas decorations lest they cause offence. (A move which cost them my support thereafter.)
After hearing that the Birmingham council changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's licence with her face covered.. You try it!After hearing of a Primary School in Birmingham where a boy was told that for PE they could wear Football League shirts (Aston Villa, Birmingham, West Brom etc) but NOT an England shirt as it could offend others !This prompted the editorial below written by a UK citizen.
And published in a British newspaper.IMMIGRANTS. NOT BRITONS, MUST ADAPT.Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.This idea of Britain being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St.George's cross offends you, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage you take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.We didn't force you to come here. If you don't like it GO HOME!!You asked to be here... So accept the country that accepted YOU. Pretty easy really, when you think about it..

There is a grain of truth in every joke, interpret this as you will.L is for Labour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnxPuidq1qQ

Loonylion · #128Your so-called 'morals' allow you to vote for a party of pathlogical liars, thieves and traitors, yet you can't vote for the BNP because of what they were like 20 years ago? you sir, need help.

>implying that not every political party isn't full of pathological liars, thieves and traitorsJust going to point out in response to something a bit back, your "every party is essentially conservative" problem isn't JUST a uniquely British problem. I've no doubt you'll likely attempt to respond to this with a couple of sentences that try and claim the British situation is different. It's not. Hell, in five or six years a quarter of my country will be asian or of direct asian descent. Be that as it may, radical action from either side is not an answer. Stricter immigration laws are somehing Britain may have to look at. Victimisation and discrimination of existing minorities, though? They're human beings. They've started making lives in Britain. I've seen evidence that some members on the BNP have made fairly recent comments regarding the possibility of deportation. Do people of a different culture deserve to have their human rights breached?This is not a rhetorical question, by the way. Answering a question with shit like "do they deserve the ability to make our lives harder?" in an attempt to justify what is essentially concealed xenophobia is really not how I like having my questions answered.Also, loony? You are in a very literal sense no better than a Muslim. Take that how you will.

Adnan1992 · #129i have not looked in depth at BNP policies but i take your word that they are not racist, but you must agree with me that a lot of people who have feelings similar to your own but ARE racist aswell are what give the BNP a worse name. no? It may be evident that it is the way that nick griffin has acted in the past being a substantial cause to why racism flocks around the party.

i cant argue with you there.
you will always get idiots but the BNP was formed from the national front, this was the real racist party. the bnp has has moved away from that over time keeping the ideas and losing the racism. People that call them racist are just repeating what they have heard or still associating them with the national front. This was 1982, things have changed.
Im going to say this again for the benefit of people that ignore my points and shout racist instead: I dont believe the BNP are right about everything but at the minute they address the biggest problems with the best solutions.Im sort of liking lib dems immigration policy and a few people i know have mentioned it too. out of the big three i would most like to see them get in power

Suiseiseki · #135>implying that not every political party isn't full of pathological liars, thieves and traitors

I assumed that a politician requires all of those things to get the job.

try this: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/elections/party-matcheri got 69% labour which surprised me to say the least
51% for both lib dems and conservatives
its a pity this only has the big three parties thoughand people, be honest please dont just go all out to try and prove me and the other bnp supporters wrong or vice versa

I tried that quiz and got 63% Conservatve, what the hell?! I utterly detest David Cameron, just his entire demeanour makes me sick.This was one of the answers to the compatibility questions;
Conservative Party shares a 0% similarity with your beliefs on Welfare and Social Security. Lib Dem and labour's results were 25% and 50% respectively. Here is a tory quote from the same webpage:
"We believe that it should not be possible for any person who can work to choose not to do so and live on out of work benefits instead...Our plans provide a much more comprehensive programme of support for jobseekers. But they also mean that those who refuse to participate in the return to work process will no longer receive out of work benefits. We will ensure that people participate fully by introducing mandatory conditions and time limits."This might look good to people who've had a job for years. But for those who are not qualified, lost their long term job in the 'recession', who don't have high ranked friends who can get them a job and people who live in towns where there truly is no work for unskilled professionals its like a punch in the face.
Do the tories believe that getting rid of a benefit set up so people do not resort to crime to feed their families is a good idea?!
If that's the case then I'm going to end up in gaol. I will steal for my family if needed and it will be from anywhere I can get what I need. So if you agree with the tories about cutting benefits then get some insurance, you're gonna need it. I doubt I'm the only one with this way of thinking.

I was in the job(less) centre today and came out utterly depressed. It's not so much the lack of jobs, its the lack of help getting a job. Government keeps changing the rules about what help I'm allowed, current rules are im only allowed to speak to one of two specific staff (out of 20) and I'm not allowed to see a disability advisor. So if you're claming ESA/IB you're not allowed to be disabled? what the fuck.micromanagement at its best (worst). Just like the NHS.