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I want to ask how the fuck a camera can be mistaken for a rocket-propelled-grenade.Sure, from the chopper's point of view, you probably wouldn't have seen the children in the van, but the way they responded after finding out two children were injured... How does that not anger you?!damanali · #6Casualties of War, watch that movie. what happens in the field, should stay in the field. Shoot first, ask questions later. Don't ask, Don't Tell. Court Martial."What happens in the field should stay in the field", are you an idiot? So in your opinion, troops serving abroad may act as they see fit with no regards to consequences, with no regard for human life, to degrade the reputations of the nations that they serve until we are worse than the people we are fighting? And people back home should just accept this because by not being there you forfit the right to an opinion?
damanali · #6And war is hell. If you're going to a war torn place, then expect war. You don't expect getting a VIP treatment.That war torn place is also the homeland of those murdered people, and since when in walking down the street in your own country and not being gunned down VIP treatment?, all innocent human life is very important; all people are important.
damanali · #6From the angle of that camera in the chopper, you wont see if those are children, or if those are reporters. What you see if people, holding something that can't be verified if its a camera or a RPG, or an AK47....No, that isn't right. Americans troops are not gods, they have no right to decide to slaughter other people on the basis that they may possible be a threat without any proper verification.
Also, this clips show how the press do their job. My question is, If you know there is war, you still go there and expect not to be harmed? If I was in that chopper, i wouldn't go down there and ask, do you have weapons? Are you going to kill me? First thing on my mind will be, this is a armed man thats going to shoot me and i wont let him get the chance to do it.
MessoMesso · #7Sure, from the chopper's point of view, you probably wouldn't have seen the children in the van, but the way they responded after finding out two children were injured... How does that not anger you?!And despite the fact that they were shot by US troops; they were taken to a shoddy local hospital rather than given the better standard of care that could have been possible at one of the US medical facilities.
markswan · #1Your thoughts?You are asking anybody's thought and you react with this:
markswan · #9"What happens in the field should stay in the field", are you an idiot?I'm quoting something from the movie casualties of war and phrases used in the military. So if I'm a idiot, then you are a SOB that is ranting about a video the military took, stolen and made seen by the public.
damanaliSuicide bombers aren't holding anything and they are a threat, so how is holding something, be even safer? Its war, and they didn't shoot without verification. They asked first if they can engage. Someone was even angry when he waited for the engage order to be declared. The people in the video were clearly not wearing suicide vests. Also; you are now justifying firing upon civilians who aren't armed on the basis that they may become dangerous; firing upon those people would only have been justified if they had been armed and were showing by their actions that they were a threat or if reliable intelligence showed that they were a threat to the helicopter crew or ground troops.In case it isn't obvious; the writing in bold is my response.
"Its war, and they didn't shoot without verification. They asked first if they can engage. Someone was even angry when he waited for the engage order to be declared". War has rules too; or at least for supposedly civilised nations it's supposed to. By verification i meant proof of harmful intent, how is some trigger-happy lunatic being angry relevant to justifying their actions?Making war is man's nature, from the beginning of time, to the end of time, there will be war. If you are outrage by their acts, why don't you just go to your nearest camp and have those soldiers arrested? Why did that van with children go to that place? They were taking the dead bodies of those reporters, right? Why bring children along? Given that i have already posted links to stories which detail the murder of British troops at the hands of their American counterparts and how the Americans were protected from responsibility from British authorities; i find the idiotic suggestion of me going to a British base and demanding the Americans be held accountable tragically ironic.
The reason the van appeared was to offer aid to those people and get them to a hospital; the people in it were locals looking to do the decent thing and help other people.You say its their homeland and they can walk to heir streets right? In times of war, walking in your streets without being shot is a privilege. If someone was shot during peace time, i wont be angry, outrage by the event, but its war gentlemen, making a crowd in a deserted street means you are up to something... like i said, i wont go to that crowd asking if they have weapons. I'm speachless, reading that makes me so sad; can't you see these people as victims at all?, can't you see how terrible this is at all?. "Making a crowd in a deserted street means you are up to something... like i said, i wont go to that crowd asking if they have weapons"; it's clear to see that they don't have weapons, why shouldn't they be able to gather at any place they please? There isn't martial law in place; those people don't deserve to be shot at any more than people at a public place here in the west.Also, my final word on this topic is this:
You are asking anybody's thought and you react with this:
I'm quoting something from the movie casualties of war and phrases used in the military. So if I'm a idiot, then you are a SOB that is ranting about a video the military took, stolen and made seen by the public. It wasn't even nearly strong enough.
markswan · #9"What happens in the field should stay in the field", are you an idiot? So in your opinion, troops serving abroad may act as they see fit with no regards to consequences, with no regard for human life, to degrade the reputations of the nations that they serve until we are worse than the people we are fighting? And people back home should just accept this because by not being there you forfit the right to an opinion?soldier is train to kill ask question later, they dont think, if thier CO said kill everything, thier kill everything, period. If they dont follow order, thier'll put on trial in Courts-martial for disobedient.
markswan · #9That war torn place is also the homeland of those murdered people, and since when in walking down the street in your own country and not being gunned down VIP treatment?, all innocent human life is very important; all people are important.people life are not importance during war. human right is only for time of peace not war.
calvin_0soldier is train to kill ask question later, they dont think, if thier CO said kill everything, thier kill everything, period. If they dont follow order, thier'll put on trial in Courts-martial for disobedient.
They were given permission to open fire because they reported that the civilians were armed and posed an active threat; complete falsities. people life are not importance during war. human right is only for time of peace not war. The UN would disagree strongly with you on both those points, as do i and any government that wishes to maintain at least a façade of decency.