Suiseiseki · #8Anyway, I think I'll play the part of naysayer. What do I think? Well, I'd say it's fairly obvious - I love me some porn, and I'm going to refute your bullshit claims in a nice brief way before I go and join the RWC festivities at the pub.
Oh, you guys won, eh? Can't say I'm surprised. Congrats.
Suiseiseki · #8Isolated incident. A single extreme case does not imply the norm, and although I'll not refute that some people have probably masturbated to death I argue that, much like a bombing, this does not reflect a more widespread problem.
Granted. My point there was that an addiction problem exists, though.
SuiseisekiWhen it comes down to it, the porn industry is fuelled by people who are doing what they want to do and serving a demand, much like people who make Pop-Tarts. That's a low blow Hell, I'd say it's even more self-deterministic than factory-line work in some ways. Plenty of porn stars have done interviews talking about why they do what they do. With that in mind, can the idea of degradation of the self even be applied here? They're aware of what they're doing and the nature of the need they are satisfying, and for the most part they're quite okay with it.
Mind linking one of said interviews? Sounds interesting. I can't imagine porn stars with the mental capacity to wilfully do their job for any reason much deeper than "it feels good" or "it pays well". Besides, despite what the stars themselves think, the viewers will see them differently.
Suiseiseki · #8Furthermore, there's a thriving amateur pornography distribution network - it's called the internet. People quite willing to "degrade" themselves for no apparent profit! I'd say this implies a complete disregard for the entire concept of sexual degradation in the eyes of others, and I for one take full advantage of this quite regularly.
Could it be that they just want attention? As that old rap song goes, it takes a lot of drunk daddies missing dance recitals before you decide to blow a goat on the internet for fifty bucks. You and I both know what kinds of things people will do for attention.
Suiseiseki · #8Once again, focusing on habitual overuse and chronic addiction to the masturbatory act. Now, that article focuses on the sexual dysfunction of men who evidently have sexual partners available but choose to supplement it with continued, habitual porn viewing. I hesitate to use anecdotal evidence, but since I'm in a hurry this will have to do: I know plenty of people, myself included, who will dramatically cut back on their porn intake when in a relationship. This signifies both a lack of addiction and recognition of the fact that one's sexual needs will be (hopefully) met by one's partner.
Interesting point, but is it really the case? Pornography allows detached instant gratification, but live partners are different. You've gotta make them feel good, too. You've also gotta put up with all the drama that comes with it. When you can "meet your needs" (and hey, here we are again, using people as tools) with such a convenient alternative as porn, it's not surprising that people would continue the habit.
Suiseiseki · #8With that in mind, people without the luxury of a significant other (and particularly one Canadian whose housemate does have one who is admittedly rather attractive) have no choice but to resort to masturbation, and imagination can only take a person so far. Porn helps this along and makes the relief of sexual tension far more efficient and expedient. Feminists and prudish young women may not like it but people do have sexual needs that need to be fulfilled with semi-regularity, and in lieu of a willing partner there is no shame in relying on a good old porn video and one's own hand.
This is complete speculation on my part, but what about religious people that are either celibate or abstaining until marriage? These people are taught not to jerk off, and I'm sure they can accomplish it to some degree. In their case, pleasure of the flesh is merely that - flesh. In other words, orgasm is not a need, but a want, and it's completely possible to go without. By the way, it's No Fap October, and I'm going strong.
Void · #10I don't know if this is something that's going to stop, even when we acknowledge it as being wrong. I think it's a deep carnal reproductive instinct. I don't actually see women as just sex objects but that doesn't mean I won't enjoy it in porn. When my dick's on switch is flipped is has a mind of its own, and it's sick. But on the surface, I don't believe or enforce any of the fucked up shit that flips my dick switch. And if we start trying to determine what is fucked up for people to enjoy and what they can and can't see, then I think it officially becomes censorship to a pretty strong degree. If everyone along the line is good with it, from the actors to the consumers then I don't see a reason to start busting skulls.
That's a good point, and I disagree with censorship. However, don't you think it's possible that ridiculous fetishes develop because they're sexualised, and not the other way around? There's a point where this needs to stop and we've long since passed it. Porn breeds depravity in the name of "sexual liberation". Now we have people thinking it's okay to
have sex with dogs.
Void · #10This is pretty interesting. My threshold for porn awesomeness has gone WAY up. A few years ago I used to jerk it to whatever random make-up plastered whores with milk-jug tits but now I need real dirty top-tier amateur shit. I guess I'm just waiting to hit that point where my dick stops working, though.I just think masturbation is under-rated. I've been doing it for years and it's brought me lots of pleasure and I've yet to jerk myself to death.
Really? I think it's actually pretty overrated nowadays.
Replying to #11
Don't forget "inability to be turned on by real partners, and sluggish erections". You might not get hard in the first place. Even if you do:
My ED is definitely porn-related because even erection pills do little but sometimes help enough to penetrate or get an erection. But, NEVER is the feeling good...because I still don't feel anything. I've lost most, if not all my sensitivity.
