Pokemon HG/SS: Catch Kyogre, Groudon, & Rayquaza Without Trading

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A lot of you may be happy I'm putting this here because some of you don't have a WiFi connection or no friends near you with Pokemon HG/SS, or no one is willing to trade you a Groudon/Kyogre. Some of you are also unwilling to use Pal Park (like me), or for some other reason you don't want to or can't get this done.
CONFIRMED BY:
mikeac
nemesis11
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Materials:
A way to emulate DS roms
Absolutely NO AR CODES. None. Period.
Both roms: Heart Gold AND Soul Silver
Two different folders with one game (and save, if not using emulator) in one folder, the other in another folder.
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Pokemon with Surf & Rock Climb
Lots of pokeballs
Patience
IMPORTANT
Obtained National Dex
Defeated RedGAMEFAQS SAVES (Possibly incomplete):
SoulSilver Save Data (J/E)
HeartGold Save Data (U/E)
I have a HG (J) save that is past Red, will upload later today. My bro's SS save... not so much. You can use the (J) save data in the (U) version if you convert and rename it, or if you are using the patched (J) version. If you have the (E) version, renaming the save may work (unconfirmed).
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BACK UP YOUR SAVES BEFORE CONTINUING
Make sure Red has been defeated, you have 16 badges, and the National Dex
Step 1: Get the Kanto starters from Prof. Oak. He is in Pallet Town (I think)
Step 2: Go to Mr. Pokemon at the top of Route 30 next to Violet City.
Step 3: He will give you the Red(SS)/Blue(HG) orb.
Step 4: Go to Route 47. Take Cianwood City into a cave.
Step 5: Exit the Cave into Route 47 into the first cave you see and head down.
Surf left past two waterfalls in between two rocks.
Rock Climb upwards and head into the Hidden Cave.
Step 6: Battle and catch Groudon(SS)/Kyogre(HG).
YOU MUST CATCH IT TO GET RAYQUAZA!!!!
Step 7: Save and exit the game in the Hidden Cave.
Step 8a: *EMULATOR* Find your save on your computer. (BATTERY folder)
Step 8b: *FLASHCARD* Insert your Micro SD card from your flashcard into the computer and find the save.
Step 9: Rename your save to the name of the opposite game.
(EX. HeartGold.sav to SoulSilver.sav)
Step 10: Play up the ROM that is the opposite of what you used to catch Kyogre/Groudon.
ie. The game which the name of the save is changed to.
Step 11: Battle and catch Kyogre/Groudon.
YOU MUST CATCH THEM TO GET RAYQUAZA!!!
Step 12: Save your game, and repeat steps 8 and 9, and continue to the next section,
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Time to catch Rayquaza.
Make SURE you have both legend Pokemon in your party.
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Step 1: Go to Professor Oak's to receive the Green Orb.
Step 2: Go to the Hidden Cave YET AGAIN.
Step 3: Battle/Catch Rayquaza.
DONE!
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FAQ
Q: Do I have to go to Mr. Pokemon to recieve the other orb?
A: Nope.
Q: You're lying. This FAILS. Right?
A: Wrong.
Q: So what else can you do with the renamed save?
A: Catch Pokemon you normally can't catch in the first version, complete different events (can glitch), or if you just feel like switching the game.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Please people, confirm this. I have not tried on the (U) version as I am very busy...

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)Once I get to these steps:Step 8a: Locate your .SAV on your computer. (EMULATOR)
Step 8b: Insert your Micro SD card from your flashcard into the computer and locate the Sav on the computer.
Step 9: Rename your SAV to the name of the opposite game. THIS IS NORMAL.
(EX. Heart Gold .sav to the name of your SoulSilver ROM and vice versa.)
EXPLANATION: The other game will detect it to be a normal sav, as long as its the same as the ROM.
Step 10: Boot up that ROM that you changed the .SAV's name to.
Step 11.1 (UNCONFIRMED): Go to Mr. Pokemon again to receive your other ORB.
Step 11.2: Go to the Hidden Cave again and battle and Catch Kyogre/Groudon. Again: YOU MUST CATCH THEM TO GET RAYQUAZA!!!
Step 12: Save your game, and repeat steps 8 and 9.When I go back to Mr. Pokemon he just says something in Japanese and doesn't give me the other orb. I am using an emulator and my original game I played was Pokemon SoulSilver.The only other idea I can think of is to have someone with a HeartGold save file that has caught the Kyogre legit. Then Pokesaveing it out of the game and loading it up into the SoulSilver save and then trying to get the Green Orb.edit: Crap I think the problem maybe that I saved after catching Groudon.

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)All I did was save outside the cave, and it worked. I caught Kyogre, and I'm editing my post, you do NOT have to talk to Mr.Pokemon again.

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)1 save from SS wont work with HG, their different games

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)The game detects the SAV as a normal save, regardless. Man, I should get a youtube account to show you guys how to do this...

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)it works ive thougt on that before this post,so i know it works,simply chane the name of the save to the respective pokemon game your playing.

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)Thanks for backing this up, nemesis. YOU HEAR THAT PEOPLE, IT WORKS!!!

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)wow this is a great tutorial! thanks! too bad i didnt beat red yet......... :(

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)Thanks! The only thing that beat Red was (sort of) my level 90 Metagross a from platinum, and my Movie 12 Arceus that I got in a trade. I used 4 revives and 6 hyper potions, he's freakin' deadly!...

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)*BUMP*

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)You might want to be careful about doubleposting to bump your own topic.

Re: FAQ: Pokemon HGSS: How to Catch Kyogre AND Groudon WITHOUT TRADING (!)Okay, sorry :P. I did it all the time on Blazebyte :/.

Re: Pokemon HGSS - How to catch Kyogre, Groudon, & Rayquaza Without TradingBumped, for the VERY GOOD REASON that the American HeartGold/SoulSilver game was released last week, ;)
Edited and added more info.

Can someone please confirm this in the (U) version.
I have been busy and don't have enough time to beat red again.

hey...I wonder this method works for Diamond/Pearl/Platinum or something like SS .sav on Pt??.....And you can catch other pokemon like Latias right??...

ONLY if you haven't released Latias or Latios in the wild OR used the Enigma Crystal.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THIS ON THE U AND E VERSIONS.Thank you.

COME ON... Can some PLEASE confirm that this works on other region games!

WOW!! Thanks a lot! The trick DOES WORK!! ;D the only thing I did was change the name of my savefile and there's Groudon waiting after I caught Kyroge.. 8)
btw, I'm playing Pokemon HG (U) ;)