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bobafett1136AGREED, Nintendo are pulling some dangerous stunts, Sony did make some of these by releasing PS2 and PS3 too early, but they don't anymore.
PS3 early? They had to release it when it was released, Microsoft had a huge hold on the next gen console race even before the PS3 was officially announced. I don't think the PS2 was too early either, considering they came out long before the Xbox and Gamecube, and the advent of DVDs becoming popular, and the Dreamcast in a rut, Sony released the PS2 at just the right time. It was offered as a DVD player and had better graphics than the Dreamcast, and was cheap for a DVD player, just like the PS3. You may classify Sony as dangerous, but really, I think it's the most logical move.
Actually if anything the PS3 came out late. And the 360 came out early.
Lysergic420Is this a joke or what? The dsi XL isn't even out here in oz yet (and I was planning on buying one) and they are already talking about releasing a new one?
I don't even have a normal dsi yet!Jeez nintendo give us a chance to buy the products before you go releasing new ones.
Do you have a DS already? Why do you want a DSi/DSXL. I really don't understand why everyone needs a new version of everything, and then when they get the newest version, they complain that another version or another iteration is coming out. People who buy the newest version of a product, fuel more of these different versions of product. If you want it to stop, stop buying the damn thing.
That and the DSXL comes out within next month I think. If you want to save money just buy a DS Lite, and wait for the 3DS to come out, it'll play all the DS and DSi games anyways. That and all the games that have DSi functionality either suck or really, don't need it.
bobafett1136AGREED, Nintendo are pulling some dangerous stunts, Sony did make some of these by releasing PS2 and PS3 too early, but they don't anymore.
How did Sony release the PS2 and PS3 too early? And what do you mean by "they don't any more"?, they haven't released a console since the PS3; unless you're talking about a version of the PSP...?
dragneon007Sounds to me like the sony guy that commented on the 3DS is just pissed off and said that off the top of his tongue.."Nintendo could have trouble finding an audience for the 3DS – especially among the younger users drawn to the Nintendo DS platform"I have a few ideas how to fix that problem... Mario and Pokemon.
Lol, exactly. Stop being such a spiteful little bitch Sony
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Don't worry.. I'm sure they'll copy that next.
Natewlie · #61Do you have a DS already? Why do you want a DSi/DSXL. I really don't understand why everyone needs a new version of everything, and then when they get the newest version, they complain that another version or another iteration is coming out. People who buy the newest version of a product, fuel more of these different versions of product. If you want it to stop, stop buying the damn thing.
Well there's a few reasons. I'd love a bigger ds that feels more comfortable to hold and I would like to play multiplayer games with people who do not own their own ds.
But whats the point if there's gonna be a whole new system to buy? It's just a kick in the balls to people who already bought one as well.
Oh and bigger screen I forgot about that :D
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Is that really worth another 200$?
It's expected that there's going to be a new console/handheld, I don't buy a new standard DS or Xbox or Playstation and think "Oh, well down the road there's going to be successor to these consoles, so I won't buy it". I didn't feel offended that Microsoft released the 360 about 5 or so years after the Xbox, why should I? I didn't feel offended that Sony announced the PS3 a year or so after the PS2 slim came out and I bought it. I don't feel offended that six years after the DS, they release the successor, the 3DS. Why should I? That's a whole 6 damn years. I had the time to enjoy the handheld and I can move onto a new one.
As for the people who don't already own a DS, they missed out and they can either purchase a DSi and enjoy it with it's catalog of games and buy the 3DS later down the road, or they can buy a cheap DSLite or they can just wait it out. The Gameboy Micro came out a year after the DS, I see that more of a burn than releasing a successor a year after the previous' incarnation.
Lysergic420 · #64Well there's a few reasons. I'd love a bigger ds that feels more comfortable to hold and I would like to play multiplayer games with people who do not own their own ds.
But whats the point if there's gonna be a whole new system to buy? It's just a kick in the balls to people who already bought one as well.Oh and bigger screen I forgot about that :D
Nintendo's a commercial company; if people keep buying them then they'll keep making them. It's as simple as that.
It's a tactic their stock holders apparently approve of. I've got to say though; i think that they have done infinitely better than with Sony with their various PSP versions.
Dammit, people keep posting what i'm about to say as i'm typing it
NatewlieNintendo offered, developers didn't utilize it to it's full potential. Not Nintendo's fault, it's like doing a two partner project at school. If you do your half and the other person doesn't, who's fault is it? Also, who's fault it is that it sold considerably so well versus the other versions? Consumers. I'm quite surprised that people didn't look at the DSi and say "Hey, this is like a regular DS, BUT it has two cameras, what can be used with the cameras? Taking pictures? Oh how useless, I have a camera already". I didn't expect much gameplay functionality out of it and there hasn't been.I think Nintendo with the DSi thought of a portable device that does more than games, but also surfs the net, takes photos, and plays music (does it play videos?). they succeeded in that regard.I know Satoru said that in January, but it's the middle of March at the moment and the distance between that is somewhat of an indication that it is a successor.Along with that, the article states that it's backwards compatible with DS and DSi games, what does this mean persay? WaaaaaYes it's speculation that it will be the successor but it's highly likely that it is, why would they add so much crap to a already made system? Adding another screen, and having a touch screen on the GBA, you'd think that it'd be another 'remake' of the GBA, no? If the jump from DS to the 3DS includes, control stick, 3D, Force Feedback, accelerometer and a sensor, is it not safe to say that all these additions make it a successor? Hell, the Gameboy to the Gameboy Color barely had any changes.All the DSi added was camera functionality for certain games and 'enhanced' graphics for games that support it, along with a software addition that it could play music and surf the net. That's nice, I can clearly see why it's just another version of the DS.You misunderstand that the 3DS not only adds the accelerometer, right? You seem all about the accelerometer, like whoa, slow down there. I think it'll make the TINY DS cartridge bigger and silly. Look at Wario Ware Twister, both rumble and an accelerometer.I don't really see how making the 3DS is a bad thing. Yes, the DSXL is coming out very, very soon, but the 3DS is speculated to come out between April 2010 and March 2011, judging that it's reveal is E3, I'm guessing it'll come out exactly next year or before the holidays, that's enough time to say that the DSXL isn't a viable purchase. If Nintendo wants to screw around with consumers who don't know any better (I'm sure they don't) then so be it. Their lack of research turns in money for Nintendo in that case. Unless they genuinely don't already own a DS. Best Buy has screwed it's consumer with setting up a PS3 to a TV, for more than 100 dollars. Who's fault is it that people actually buy it? The consumer for not knowing any better.There's a topic with the Best Buy thing somewhere, I'm sure that most were on Best Buy's side.
Oh my god,you aren't a fanboy are you? So you think that developers didnt utilize Nintendo's brilliant idea because they hate Nintendo or something ?
Dont you think,since Nintendo brought up that DSi's extra capabilities and trashed it after a few months before any more games came out, is actualy Nintendo's fault ? If PSP had some new technology that was a gimmick and nobody used these extra capabilities, you would say it is the dev's fault. I say otherwise because Nintendo didnt give a good reason for the devs to use the upgraded DSi platform. And we all know that Nintendo loves to get in direct competition with the developers who are making games for their own consoles! (DSIWARE is the prime example how bad the service is.20 megs cap... and this cant be blamed on the developers.)
So basicaly ,by your logic, Nintendo is a victim of circumstances. I can't see reason in this logic,im sorry.
markswan · #66Nintendo's a commercial company; if people keep buying them then they'll keep making them. It's as simple as that. It's a tactic their stock holders apparently approve of. I've got to say though; i think that they have done infinitely better than with Sony with their various PSP versions.
I've made that point in a couple of posts ago. :p
It's really really true. Although Sony hasn't had success with it, although I blame that there hasn't been much added from the PSP-1000 to 2000 to 3000. There hasn't been much change.
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No, look up any topic created by ultra, I post in a lot of them, you'll see my perspective from there.
I say that it's ultimately the dev's fault, Nintendo presents an idea, releases it, the developers make the software for it. The software determines it's success, and it hasn't declared that the DSi's capabilities as a success (although sales present it as a success). While I'll say that the DSiware restriction is totally Nintendo's fault. I really don't think the DSi's camera was really meant for games in the first place, I mean the devices surfs the net and play music as well. Doesn't that point that Nintendo meant the DSi as a multimedia device as opposed to using the camera as a gaming device? (And really, just camera + game = crap).
Re: Nintendo\'s 3DS (they skipped DS2 lololollolo)p.s.: why should anybody feel offended by a new console...if it is new. On the other hand it is offensive for Nintendo to make small upgrades ,promising new stuff and then they dont deliver - no matter why,the fact remains : BROKEN PROMISES. Why is it offensive? Because Nintendo feels like we are mindless zombies who will buy anything that writes "Nintendo" on it. Even if it is a brick with 2 cameras attached to it's sides. And that is somewhat offensive to some ,no?
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But that's not the case here. There was no "bad software" for the DSi. There was virtualy NO SOFTWARE whatsoever that could've made a legacy of other games. You are doing a circular argument and you know it.
YOU DONT THINK CAMERAS WERE NOT MEANT FOR GAMING? What about WARIOWARE SNAPPED that was supposedly only a "taste of what is coming in the future in gaming" ! You are contradicting yourself
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Does Nintendo think that you're a mindless zombie? Hell no, you've educated yourself and you know about the 3DS so you won't buy into the DSXL, am I correct?
For the people who don't know any better, it's a great chance for Nintendo to rack up a more absurd amount of money with the DSXL if it sells. And really, every company is down to money, money, money. If you hadn't noticed Nintendo rakes up money on their already established franchises, and the spin offs (Mario sports games and Mario Party). It's really the same deal. Why do they make annoying Mario Party games STILL and Mario Sports games? Because they sell.
MindFever · #67Oh my god,you aren't a fanboy are you? So you think that developers didnt utilize Nintendo's brilliant idea because they hate Nintendo or something ?Dont you think,since Nintendo brought up that DSi's extra capabilities and trashed it after a few months before any more games came out, is actualy Nintendo's fault ?If PSP had some new technology that was a gimmick and nobody used these extra capabilities, you would say it is the dev's fault.I say otherwise because Nintendo didnt give a good reason for the devs to use the upgraded DSi platform. And we all know that Nintendo loves to get in direct competition with the developers who are making games for their own consoles! (DSIWARE is the prime example how bad the service is.20 megs cap... and this cant be blamed on the developers.)So basicaly ,by your logic, Nintendo is a victim of circumstances. I can't see reason in this logic,im sorry.
No, they just decided not to. The reasons are various and known only by the devs and publishers. Were i to speculate though; i would say that it's because of the relative newness of the DSI and the fact that committing many people and a lot of funding to develop games for features exclusive to a console that many people don't own may negatively affect sales and alienate owners of the previous versions that lack a camera and the slight hardware boost. *Takes deep breath*
"Dont you think,since Nintendo brought up that DSi's extra capabilities and trashed it after a few months before any more games came out, is actualy Nintendo's fault ?" I have no idea what the hell you're rambling on about here.
"If PSP had some new technology that was a gimmick and nobody used these extra capabilities, you would say it is the dev's fault." PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU LEARNT TO READ WOMEN'S MINDS AND PREDICT THEIR THOUGHTS IN AN ALTERNATE REALITY, I NEED TO KNOW SOS MY GIRLFREIND WILL NEVER LEAVE ME
Nintendo isn't a victim at all, they're frakin' loaded, we the consumers are. Cold hard marketing logic on the part of devs and publishers not to invest more than a small amount of money in the creation of DSIWare games
I don't own a DSI, but i've read reviews of some DSIWare games that are very positive (usually puzzle games). I think that it's a shame that the DSI's capabilities are not being fully exploited, not just the cameras; but also the RAM and processor upgrades could be utilised to produce even more imaginative and ambitious games but aren't by the majority of devs.
MindFever · #69But that's not the case here. There was no "bad software" for the DSi. There was virtualy NO SOFTWARE whatsoever that could've made a legacy of other games. You are doing a circular argument and you know it.
YOU DONT THINK CAMERAS WERE NOT MEANT FOR GAMING? What about WARIOWARE SNAPPED that was supposedly only a "taste of what is coming in the future in gaming" ! You are contradicting yourself
There was software for the DSi, what are you talking about? With the exception of Wario Ware (which I actually never knew existed until now) most of it is, pretty damn mediocre. The lack of software for the camera simply means that devs didn't want to bother with it or that they couldn't come up with the idea to make a game surrounding it.
That's a game that made the camera a game, whereas the I think the camera was made to be a camera. If you get webcam software, you might get a couple games, oh those are fun distractions, I see that with the DSi's camera.
How am I contradicting myself when I didn't make that point? Really? And I am not doing a 'circular argument'. I'm repeating myself so you can understand what I'm trying to say.
I think the DSi's camera was meant to be a camera, not a gaming only add-on. The software available that uses it, and the other multimedia functions on the DSi point that, that was it's purpose in the first place.Re: Nintendo\\\\\\\'s 3DS (they skipped DS2 lololollolo)markswanNo, they just decided not to. The reasons are various and known only by the devs and publishers. Were i to speculate though; i would say that it's because of the relative newness of the DSI and the fact that committing many people and a lot of funding to develop gamesbfor features exclusive to a console that many people don't own may negatively affect sales and alienate owners of the previous versions that lack a camera and the slight hardware boost.
"Dont you think,since Nintendo brought up that DSi's extra capabilities and trashed it after a few months before any more games came out, is actualy Nintendo's fault ?" I have no idea what the hell you're rambling on about here.
"If PSP had some new technology that was a gimmick and nobody used these extra capabilities, you would say it is the dev's fault." PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU LEARNT TO READ WOMEN'S MINDS AND PREDICT THEIR THOUGHTS IN AN ALTERNATE REALITY, I NEED TO KNOW SOS MY GIRLFREIND WILL NEVER LEAVE ME
Nintendo isn't a victim at all, they're frakin' loaded, we the consumers, cold hard marketing logic.
So your answer to my argument is basicaly to try and insult me/mock me... okay. Are your arguments so weak that they cannot withold a debate ?
I am not reading your mind i was stating how it would look like if we talked about PSP console who had the same approach as Nintendo did.
A-ha! lol ...im sorry. You say "they just decided not to" .... and your supporting argument regarding this is ... ?
edit: =snipped= i thought i was talking to somebody else... damn this netbook and its small screen
I see facts are irrelevant in this debate.
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Didnt you say that DSi camera was not ment for gaming... Warioware contradicts what you said.
If somebody else said this, im sorry ...i am a bit fatigued today.
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NOTE: oh for goodness' sake ... i thought i was talking to the same person ,now i see i replied in between to somebody else.
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and what the fuck...i wasnt saying that Nintendo IS the victim ,i was replying to somebody who said something as if Nintendo was the victim.They aren't. Nintendo fucked up with DSi ,that's my point.
What am i rumbling about ? Nintendo scrapped the DSI-ENHANCED crap before it even started ...few months or so,3 games made.This is somewhat disapppointing,isnt it? if it isnt ,they fuck it...i think it is.
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Natewlie · #73That's a game that made the camera a game, whereas the I think the camera was made to be a camera. If you get webcam software, you might get a couple games, oh those are fun distractions, I see that with the DSi's camera.
Meant and being used for are completely different. Rush made a song called The Trees, it was written by Neil Peart. It's studied about maples being slaves to the oak trees because they take up more sunlight, eventually the maples make a union and stand up to the oaks.
What was the song written in mind with? Neil Peart wrote it because he saw a cartoon and it had, guess what? Maple trees standing up to Oak trees.
Let's see what else. The yo-yo was made with the intention of it being a weapon, it's now a toy. The Slinky, same deal.
Also, all the marketing I've seen about the DSi and it's camera functionality was only with camera functionality with a few silly morphing tools and basic editing tools for photos. None for games.
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Yes but i doubt those toys became what they are now , on buyer's expense (in the meaning, yo-yo didnt damage anybody financialy ;) )...and those toys turned out to be fun.They didnt say for a Yo-yo that "see this? this with the addon gadgets you can buy from us, will fly on its own! but now we are not planing to do that anymore" instead they sold it as it is. Nintendo said and promised many things for the DSi, i bought it ... then i saw that those DSi enhanced features were scrapped. You understand what im saying? I feel a bit cheated... because i bought it with my own money,that's why.
Regarding Warioware example, fair enaugh.I can agree on that.
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I just can't understand how can you blame developers for not feeling comfortable working on the DSi-enhanced features ... You cannot just say "they just didnt,end of story".And even if they "just didn't",it is hardly their fault. The problem is i bought the damn machine and those features are not used.I dont care why,the point is those feature ARE NOT.
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I don't remember hearing any specific promises, they described the possibilities; and with their new Warioware game they are showing what the DS
I EDIT: (I forgot to add the "i in my original post) is capable of. The DSI was in a precarious position to start with: not enough of a hardware upgrade to justify a new generation and too many exclusive features for games made specifically for it to be available to owners of Phat and Lite.
markswanI don't remember hearing any specific promises, they described the possibilities; and with their new Warioware game they are showing what the DS is capable of. The DSI was in a precarious position to start with: not enough of a hardware upgrade to justify a new generation and too many exclusive features for games made specifically for it to be available to owners of Phat and Lite.
Well, that's just BS... i cant believe you are actualy serious about this.
I think your arguments speak on its own and anybody with a little sense can go an see what google shows ;) So DSI-EXCLUSIVe and DSI-ENHANCED games are all a myth ? you are amazing :)
edit: why then didnt NINTENDO themselves make a few DSi-enhanced/exclusive games ? (since you are blaming developers)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/26/nintendo-announces-dsi-only-and-dsi-enhanced-software/
http://www.qj.net/qjnet/nintendo-ds/future-dsi-enhanced-games-will-have-dsi-exclusive-features.html
Nintendo announced that the DSi
could have DSi only games, and DSi enhanced software. This doesn't change at all what I think the camera was meant for. There has been both, I'm guess that the former didn't pan out, meaning at all. As for the second link:
Explains Nintendo's Masato Kuwahara, "For example, you will use these features if you want[...]
The lack of DSi enhanced games on this site (
there's a whole topic talking about how it sucks) explains how some people feel about it. There's quite a bit of DSi enhanced games on the DSi, if you bother to look through the site's releases you'll see there's more than a couple missing. I wish I can find a list of DSi enhanced games, but alas no. There is going to be DSXL enhanced games though, although enhanced usually means barely anything has improved.
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Maybe they meant it as a camera, and not a proprietary add on that a game can surround itself with it's features?
MindFever · #78Well, that's just BS... i cant believe you are actualy serious about this.I think your arguments speak on its own and anybody with a little sense can go an see what google shows ;) So DSI-EXCLUSIVe and DSI-ENHANCED games are all a myth ? you are amazing :)edit: why then didnt NINTENDO themselves make a few DSi-enhanced/exclusive games ? (since you are blaming developers)
I'm not just blaming developers (why should they risk money on a market with few current customers?), Nintendo have supported the DSI poorly; but i just never had very high expectations. Nintendo never promised boxed retail games exclusive to the DSI, and when it first came out the only games they showed off were tiny, unimpressive DSIWare games/apps. My expectations were low; Nintendo met them.
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Too little too late (in my opinion anyway), they still haven't materialised though. Unless i count an obscure game about dinosaurs or dragons or something that i remember hearing about...
