Life

Okay so recently I began to look at things very philosophically, and all I've done is think and think and think.. Now I know thinking from past experience is a bad thing as it will lead to depressing yourself, but now days I find that is not the case, afterall what is the point in being upset over a mere thought?I mean like, it's been snowing here in England and everyone complains that it is cold.. All I do is just tell them that cold is a feeling and you can control it with your mind, just like you can do with the heat and even pain.. Resistance, you see where I am going now :PSo I got to the thought when I was telling my friend off about stealing other guys girlfriends and sleeping with them even though the two people were still going out..Being irritated with him I told him everything that I had on my mind, everything that I thought about it and what everyone else thought about it (being a real friend as I was the only one would tell him and not talk crap behind his back)I told him that he was selfish and narrow-minded and was only interested in himself and his own happiness, which he twisted into making other people happy.. After several hours of arguing with him, I finally managed to stop him stealing some other guys girl, made him cry and he told me that he wanted to commit suicide. So I told him to do it..I know he's afraid of death, not because he is a wuss, everyone is different, but being close to someone enables you to be empathetic and you can think how they would think so you can know how they act and what they will do. Of course I was right, as he came back half an hour later saying that he couldn't do it himself and that I was free to kill him if I wanted to..I thought this was wrong and called him a coward and a complete a utter dick. As a statement of revenge he said to me "Well I think that you pushing your selflessness upon me is selfish!"This was a good point I noted and took it into account.. Am I wrong to push others to be less selfish? There's more to life then just caring about yourself..I mean for instance, after I suffered from depression and I came out of it, what I believe to be, a better person. I stopped caring solely about myself and put everyone before me.During my conversation with my friend I told him that there was no real reason behind it and that there was no purpose. I sometimes think life is empty and my reason for being here, is to not please myself. But to please others.So that leads me to my final question?What is our reason here? Do we already have a reason, or do we give/find ourselves a reason?What is your reason...?
Why do you persist to exist..?

well here is my version:The sole goal of life is to survive and reproduce.here is a my teacher's version:life is in fact empty, its upto you to fill your empty life with purpose and its upto you find what that purpose is.

I am of two perspectives...Everything has more than one perspective.Like colour...I can see in blue and my friend next to me for instance could see in green... They are different yet the same.. Diffferent because they are different colours but the same because they are colours.It's interesting because you view so many things from different angles..

snebbers · #1So that leads me to my final question?What is our reason here? Do we already have a reason, or do we give/find ourselves a reason?What is your reason...?
Why do you persist to exist..?

i've experienced some depressions too, the longest was 3 months. i think this thread deserves serious posts. snebbers, from your questions, i can only answer that in a theist's point of view. most people will always come to that point in some certain part of their lives, i meant those people with sanity who knows what is going on around them. as a religious person, we always hold onto something that will keep our lives moving and growing. my reason for life is more of the eternal life & eternal death thing, i'm not sure if you or anybody wants to hear it. anyway, as you can see, life is full of problems and ending it is not always the best solution, it's nothing but a bitter escape. so i guess our reasons depends on how we live our lives, and especially on our beliefs, not just the people around us, or anything else around us. and that ends my opinions ;D
btw, honestly you're the nicest atheist i've ever known in my entire life. i respect you so much.

Sneebers, our lives are prehaps preety simerlar, I never pictured you the kinda guy to be upset :(The advice you used is simerlar to the stuff my mates use, it's effective but...with some of their friends nothing works, and they aren't around anymore as a result of "just not being there when it happens" :(In one case, one person commits it, and it spreads...one of the remaining of the group is struggling with the tempation, and she seems kinda stable on the outside by being hypo and jumpy...in reality she's crashed :(I've also being depressed for a time (2 months approx) because of a selfish act...but if not for the act I would have just had one friend and relying soley on that friend.Looks like life had an odd plan for me-it hurt like hell but once I realised I wasn't completly shut out for my sins I tried to regain life.In doing so I realised why I'm here-to help other's.If it's not being on technical help, it's chatting to people who have real issues...making them realise life ain't so bad-and if it is...to not give a damn, go out, clear your mind and ethier charge at it head on...or call us around to fix it ;DTo help/save other's is my life goal (as before I became an active member on romUlation...I had no goals nor did I care where I'd end up)*I've had to omit and revise this post several times as to avoid mentioning people and their actions, from "emo" acts to suicide...it;s not preety, that and I almost spilled my own story out :(

hypnos i think you're typing words way too fast that you're misspelling a lot of words ???

:) Don't worry sir,life is just a result of several events that happened before you were born...
This also applies to every living thing on this dying planet.
All exist without purpose.(at least emotionally)
We human are fortunate that our brain to develop so much so that we can have emotions and high level of thoughts and imagination.
Everything that we can feel has no purpose..(More accurately definite goal)
We have to find our purpose..(by not depending on some ancient books).
Always remind yourself that you are just a part of the universe trying to understand itself.So sit down close your eyes and just empty your mind.Then try to imagine the view of the world from the eyes of others... including animals(i recommend an abandoned cat). Ask yourself how is their life?What is the purpose of it?You might find that for some life is just about trying to survive everyday...like finding food,romance for some humans is unnecessary although biologically one of the process of living is love(eventually sex).So try it out.Who knows that whole new gateway of universal understanding will open up for you.
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crimson089 · #4i've experienced some depressions too, the longest was 3 months. i think this thread deserves serious posts. snebbers, from your questions, i can only answer that in a theist's point of view. most people will always come to that point in some certain part of their lives, i meant those people with sanity who knows what is going on around them. as a religious person, we always hold onto something that will keep our lives moving and growing. my reason for life is more of the eternal life & eternal death thing, i'm not sure if you or anybody wants to hear it. anyway, as you can see, life is full of problems and ending it is not always the best solution, it's nothing but a bitter escape. so i guess our reasons depends on how we live our lives, and especially on our beliefs, not just the people around us, or anything else around us. and that ends my opinions ;D
btw, honestly you're the nicest atheist i've ever known in my entire life. i respect you so much.

I respect your Islamic point of view.But to say that an atheist is not a good person most of the time is not really true.I want to ask you why some people who hold their faith blew themselves and killing others who are unrelated to their problem.In my humble opinion, eternal life concept is just a way escape the misery and the reality of life.
Every life form must struggle for to persistantly exist on this little blue dot.
They have no definite goal.
Do you think other intelligent life at somewhere else in the cosmos would not face the same problem?Do you think they have the same religion?Do you think everthing has purpose given by an omnipresent being?If so, why?

crimson089 · #4i've experienced some depressions too, the longest was 3 months. i think this thread deserves serious posts. snebbers, from your questions, i can only answer that in a theist's point of view. most people will always come to that point in some certain part of their lives, i meant those people with sanity who knows what is going on around them. as a religious person, we always hold onto something that will keep our lives moving and growing. my reason for life is more of the eternal life & eternal death thing, i'm not sure if you or anybody wants to hear it. anyway, as you can see, life is full of problems and ending it is not always the best solution, it's nothing but a bitter escape. so i guess our reasons depends on how we live our lives, and especially on our beliefs, not just the people around us, or anything else around us. and that ends my opinions ;D
btw, honestly you're the nicest atheist i've ever known in my entire life. i respect you so much.

Awww... Thank you so much... That means a lot to me... :)
I would hug you if I could haha. And you're welcome to your opinion, so is everyone.. I'm open with everyone, I have nothing to hide. :)I appreciate everything, from a simple glass of water, to a hug from a close friend, and even a blizzard.. Everything shoud be treated with respect I think.. There's so much people take for granted and don't really realise how much we rely on it.. Like some of us rely on computers to talk to long lost relatives who have moved to another country... This is aimed at no one of course I am just saying :)

mds64 · #5Sneebers, our lives are prehaps preety simerlar, I never pictured you the kinda guy to be upset :(The advice you used is simerlar to the stuff my mates use, it's effective but...with some of their friends nothing works, and they aren't around anymore as a result of "just not being there when it happens" :(In one case, one person commits it, and it spreads...one of the remaining of the group is struggling with the tempation, and she seems kinda stable on the outside by being hypo and jumpy...in reality she's crashed :(I've also being depressed for a time (2 months approx) because of a selfish act...but if not for the act I would have just had one friend and relying soley on that friend.Looks like life had an odd plan for me-it hurt like hell but once I realised I wasn't completly shut out for my sins I tried to regain life.In doing so I realised why I'm here-to help other's.If it's not being on technical help, it's chatting to people who have real issues...making them realise life ain't so bad-and if it is...to not give a damn, go out, clear your mind and ethier charge at it head on...or call us around to fix it ;DTo help/save other's is my life goal (as before I became an active member on romUlation...I had no goals nor did I care where I'd end up)*I've had to omit and revise this post several times as to avoid mentioning people and their actions, from "emo" acts to suicide...it;s not preety, that and I almost spilled my own story out :(

I'm not upset per se.. I mean I can think about everything and anything and I won't get upset anymore, there's no point in being upset :) it doesn't get you anywhere.. Like when I am angry I can calm down within seconds. I can control nearly almost of my emotions and supress them.I mean this is terrible what you have said hYpNoS.. There's so many people who are upset, in pain, depressed and wanting to end their lives, each of their reasons either the same or different, and there is only a few select people who will step and tell them not to do that...When I suffered from depression, I had cancelling four times and it didn't do anything for me.. I didn't talk to anyone about it after that, there was no point. At the end of the day I realised that if something to be done about it I should do it... I didn't feel like there was any purpose to me being here so I tried to commit suicide.Of course I failed I'm still here, and when I woke up afterwards I even joked about it.At the end of it. I Realise that I was just being selfish. I never really treated my life with any respect. But in actual fact it's the best thing that I have.. I mean.. I love to talk to people and I love to listen to what they have to say.. Because I know that each and every person has something unique about them, some unique story behind that. Their own perspectives. Everything..I love the fact that we're all different. And I can talk to these people. I can see them smile. I can feel their warmth when I'm near them, but yet I know that behind each smile is a hidden motive, another agenda. Afterwards I always wonder what they think about.. I ask people alot of questions. I can empathise with a lot of the people that I know.I don't do anything to feel popular.. I guess I just like to care about people and make them know that they are appreciated... Because they are... I care...

crimson089 · #6hypnos i think you're typing words way too fast that you're misspelling a lot of words ???

I agree with this ^_^
:)

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What's I find amusing about this, is that I do the things that you have mentioned. I always picture myself in someone elses shoes and I can emulate what they are thinking, what they are worried about and what they're likely to do.. Of course this is usually with the people that I know...I look at things and I analyze every single outcome that I can think of. I can tell people where to be cautious from their actions. I can imagine how a lost cat feels.. (Speaking of which I gave a new home to a lost cat back in November).I guess what I'm trying to say is... I don't have a real purpose. I've given myself a reason, or a purpose... I care about people too much to leave them... I'm not suicidal and I'm not upset, that achieves nothing... I sound really emotional and really upset, but I'm fine. :) I think it's great that I can talk about this. I always think about this while I'm on my own, in the peace and quiet...I mean I go for walks in the middle of the night down the streets and through the woods, because I know no one else wants to be out because it's either too dark, they don't want to be knifed or it's too cold... So I have all the space in the world... I can have time to myself, and I can think... Think... And think...I'm neither superior to anyone, or an underling to any, I believe in equality.

allkratos · #7I respect your Islamic point of view.But to say that an atheist is not a good person most of the time is not really true.I want to ask you why some people who hold their faith blew themselves and killing others who are unrelated to their problem.In my humble opinion, eternal life concept is just a way escape the misery and the reality of life.
Every life form must struggle for to persistantly exist on this little blue dot.
They have no definite goal.
Do you think other intelligent life at somewhere else in the cosmos would not face the same problem?Do you think they have the same religion?Do you think everthing has purpose given by an omnipresent being?If so, why?

first of all, i want to welcome you to romulation, i hope you'll have all the fun staying in this great community. just don't forget to read and follow the forum rules ;)second, i'm not an Islam.third, did you just said "But to say that an atheist is not a good person most of the time is not really true"? now where did that come from, i never mentioned anything about that. i respect them and their opinions, but if i feel threatened then things can change.fourth, err... intelligent life... at the... cos...mos?! you mean the moon? sorry about this one.lastly, i appreciate your arguments but right now i'm not in the mood for debates, though you're in the right section. that was all for snebbers, i'm toooo lazzzy these days sorry

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Thank you miss.I appreciate your reply.I just want to tell you that cosmos means the entire existence(physical).That includes faraway galaxies.Plus,i have read the forum rules and i'm confident that my post weren't offensive for any rational person.Once again thank you and sory.

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okay :D

snebbers · #8I mean I go for walks in the middle of the night down the streets and through the woods, because I know no one else wants to be out because it's either too dark, they don't want to be knifed or it's too cold... So I have all the space in the world... I can have time to myself, and I can think... Think...

I'll go with you for a walk if I could, I like walks at night, and besides I'll learn a lot of things from you.

snebbers · #1What is our reason here? Do we already have a reason, or do we give/find ourselves a reason?What is your reason...?
Why do you persist to exist..?

As human's we have no true definite purpose. You may make up your own purpose and follow it, or float through life idly. I currently have 3 purposes for living, and if I didn't I would find a new one.

crimson089 · #11okay :D
I'll go with you for a walk if I could, I like walks at night, and besides I'll learn a lot of things from you.

but what if things start to develop into a romance....

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I smell love in the air...

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indeed i smell it too.@snebbers it's your luck.

crimson089 · #11I'll go with you for a walk if I could, I like walks at night, and besides I'll learn a lot of things from you.

I would welcome that :) It's always nice to have someone to talk to when it's peaceful.

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I'm nothing special, please don't flatter me :P (I'm not really used to recieving compliments...)Love is an emotion that I cannot control. I'm no person to pressure someone, open to opinion and accepting of other people.Funnily enough, I don't think I've found someone who has fallen in love with me, but then again I am only 18.

rocklee823 · #14I smell love in the air...

allkratos · #13but what if things start to develop into a romance....

not quite guys, snebbers is just a nice person that everyone loves.

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it sure does =D

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lol sorry i'm just used to give out honest compliments to anyone who deserves it. like you, i'm open to opinions too and accepting of other people. but why not, you're at the right age, i'm sure you'll find that someone anytime soon, besides you're an extraordinary guy who appreciates a girl with her personality, that's very much uncommon and rare. i hope it will be real love not just some kind of infatuation. the topic is changing ohh i see valentines day is just a month away! ^_^ and yes, love is part of our lives too ;)

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valentines day has a bad image in my country...

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aww why? i do love the story of cupid, the greek god of love...

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cause some fanatics think that the day is the day of worship to the famous italian 'cassanova' as a god.(they are afraid of the possibility of teenagers to indulge in orgy as a worship to cassanova)