Japan faces ban on all things loli [Explicit Content]

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An extreme stealth ban on loli material extending to “clothing or voices reminiscent of a person under the age of 18” has been proposed as an amendment to Tokyo’s regional laws, with clear nationwide implications.A summary of the relevant passages from the proposed amendment:

Any literature or film which might be thought to constitute a depiction of sexual activity involving or apparently involving a person under 18, someone dressed in a manner reminiscent of an under-18, or who speaks like an under-18, may not in Tokyo be viewed by or sold or distributed to any young person.

A direct translation of the heavy legalese, from the Tokyo Metropolitan Area Youth Protection Ordinance Reform Bill:S

ection 3: Restriction of the Sale of Unhealthy Literature[A ban on sales, lending or distribution to, or viewing by, minors in the Tokyo area would cover:]1. Items which stimulate sexual emotions, foster cruelty, encourage suicide or promote crime, or otherwise impede the healthy growth of youth. [This clause is identical to current legislation]2. Items which through age, clothing, accessories, school year, setting, other people’s ages, or voice, seems reminiscent of a person who might be recognised as an under-18 (hereafter called a “a fictional minor”) engaged in, or appearing to be engaged in, sexual activity or activity resembling sexual activity, or which impede the development of healthy sexual faculties in youths, or which might be feared to obstruct the healthy development of youths.

This is indeed as vague, subjective and sweeping as it appears. A similar clause bans “anything resembling rape.”Although phrased as a ban on sales and distribution to under-18s, the ramifications would be far more severe – anything which might fall foul of the incredibly vague and ambiguous definition of “unhealthy material” given above would likely have to either be censored completely or take an “adult mark” and be treated as age-restricted adult material throughout the Tokyo area.Tokyo is of course where most anime, manga and games are made and sold – any such restrictions would undoubtedly cause a drastic reduction in sales and consequently production, with nationwide implications.The ban would also extend to Internet distribution, though whether just to Tokyo minors or also by Tokyo companies to minors elsewhere is not clear. Presumably television would also be within the remit of the ban as well.The reform bill also proposes to “make possession of child pornography by Tokyo residents illegal,” apparently vaguely defined to include the above sort of material, which opponents are increasingly attempting to brand “virtual child pornography.” However, no criminal sanction is proposed or legally possible, so this particular amendment would appear to be entirely toothless.Other proposed changes to Tokyo law include attempts to force Internet censorship of “unhealthy” sites for minors (such filtering is already semi-compulsory) by a variety of measures, such as by stripping parents of the right to unfilter their children’s Internet and mobile phone access.It is not clear what chance the proposal has of being accepted as law at this stage, or whether it could survive concerted legal challenge; protests by publishing industry and union groups have so far been ignored. Those pushing the laws have previously called otaku opponents “mentally ill” and so seem unlikely to heed criticism.Frustrated at the national level by constitutional protections and political ambivalence, opponents of free expression and sexuality, in large part extremist Christian and feminist groups, have been working to ban material they object to by the backdoor – a ban of such sweeping magnitude would cripple the publishing and Internet industries of Tokyo, as well as crush freedom of expression in Tokyo, and by extension all of Japan.

Via Sankaku ComplexSo what do you think about this ban? It obviously sounds like key factors are missing in the section about the ban. I'm not a fan of lolicon (or hentai in general) but I do think this ban is a bit of a stretch, especially on the voice part of the ban, since most Japanese women do have high/adolescent pitched voices.What do you guys think about this?

I;m fine with the ban, loli is pretty sick stuff

It's not just the hentai that would be banned:

Any literature or film which might be thought to constitute a depiction of sexual activity involving or apparently involving a person under 18, someone dressed in a manner reminiscent of an under-18, or who speaks like an under-18

Which sounds pretty vague, seeing as Japanese women in their 20s still sound 12+.

With lolicon, no child is harmed. I think it's better to be legal so people aren't after real CP as much.

NO! GOD, NO! NOT MY SWEET PORN'! GOD NO!Oh wait. Lolitas? Oh. Well, I suppose it isn't that bad...Anyway, banning people from having drawings of sexy fictional people? That definitely isn't going to stop ol' Humbert from fantasising, and it sure doesn't help children one bit. No more Cardcaptor Sakura porn' = a better society? Yeah. Sure. I can totally see that.

Any literature or film which might be thought to constitute a depiction of sexual activity involving or apparently involving a person under 18, someone dressed in a manner reminiscent of an under-18, or who speaks like an under-18

Tezuka101 · #3Which sounds pretty vague, seeing as Japanese women in their 20s still sound 12+.

So, not only does it mean no roleplay, but you can't joke around while cosplaying either? If you're gonna propose a law, it'd be nice if you were specific about it.PS: You make it sound like the thread itself shows Loli' tits, which unfortunately, it doesn't.Also: I was scrolling down the article and all of the sudden I spotted ZFM on the left... Oh GOD that gave me a shock!

its still legal top watch a loli made by them right? cause were outside the country...

No way they can stop it all, the internet and underground circles will keep it circulating.

screw them, if they ban all lolis related stuff, i cant have my cute maid catgirl avatar anymore (yes that count as loli).people that authrise that ban need to learn Loli =/= CP because they clearn doesnt know anything about lolita complex.

Replying to #8

But your not in japan...so would it still affect you?

Replying to #9

japan is the main source... what do you think?

Why is it that they always want to ban loli. its not the same as CP!!!
and why ban loli why not shoto

Replying to #11

because its usually feminists trying to get loli banned, and they only care about women.

They can ban loli, shota, and every similar genre for all I care. When you're past the "civilian's line", you can't use anymore excuses like "it's our taste", so no matter how many loli lovers out there gather to fight this, they'll never go through, on the contrary, it'll be easier for the government to catch them all and remove all traces of the banned content, happened before, will happen again...but honestly, I couldn't care less about loli-lovers compared to some REAL sick people out there! (ex: gore-hentai)

Replying to #13

you know loli isnt all about hentai..... there is non-hentai loli like lucky star, and there is even a fashion focus on loli, IIRC its call Gothic Lolicon.

Replying to #14

yes, but we're currently talking about the hentai (or any sexual-related) loli stuff. I mean, if they were gonna ban everything loli related, that would mean they would ban the lolis themselves a.k.a CHILDREN. so, obviously, stuff like fashion and NORMAL animes will stay (to an extent), but all the hentai-related will not.

Replying to #15

fashion and normal anime arent as safe as you think...... if i read the artical correctly, anything that spell out lolicon will be ban, from fashion to hentai.also the artical say one cannt dress, act or sound like a minor, but what about adult who look or sound younger then thier age or girl born with baby face (what we call a nature loli) are they going to get ban as well?....(similar to that flat chest girl ban in Australia)

number 2 from the posters second quote-within-quote states:

2. Items which through age, clothing, accessories, school year, setting, other people’s ages, or voice, seems reminiscent of a person who might be recognised as an under-18 (hereafter called a “a fictional minor”) engaged in, or appearing to be engaged in, sexual activity or activity resembling sexual activity, or which impede the development of healthy sexual faculties in youths, or which might be feared to obstruct the healthy development of youths.

so, in other words, no matter what that first sentence said, the second part says something with the meaning of "that ENGAGES, or appears to be engaging in, sexual activity or activity resembling sexual activity. so yes, all that applies, but only if it appears to engage in sexual activity or anything of the sort.

Cute lolies - ok
Loli porn/hentai - gtfo

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how banning CardCaptor Sakura R-18 doujinshi will make the world a safer place for children.

Replying to #19

Children will be fucked anyway. Pedobear cannot be stopped...