cjdogger
#61
They are similar, as you should know, our languages come from Latin
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"Eew! Like stop talking in Tagalog, that is so cheap eew!"
[facepalm]
Damn americans mutating our language !
apophos755
#62
All languages today have evolved from or are a conjunction of different languages from ages past. I'm not saying that slang is the "natural" evolution of language, but it does have an impact.Maybe.....just maybe.....the English language is evolving.....like it has before. I do hope though that slang will never be included in "proper" English.I guess proper English is all in where you live. Here in the states, people from up north and people from down south, both speak English but in different ways. So, if people in different areas of the same country speak English differently, what makes someone think that people from different countries wouldn't do the same thing?Asinine really. As long as you understand what the other person is saying, who cares if someone else spells color without or colour with a u?But to say that Americans are at fault is quite an accusation. The last time I checked, Britain and America weren't the only two countries with English as the predominate language.
equitypetey
#63
i give up i really do.
Usoppu
#64
;D no need to take this so seriously
equitypetey
#65
:D i'm not but it just seems like a broken record where i don't think anyone can read as they keep talking about speech.i don't know what Girogex first meant as he didn't actually explain what part of Americans mutilating English bothered him but i have guessed that it was nothing to do with speaking as if anyone here has ever been to this country they'd know that we are the worst for making our language incoherent, Scotland, wales, Liverpool, Birmingham, London, little country towns actually anything 50 miles outward from Southampton (which is basically everything) the understandability of the English language gets less and less.so this is why i have given up arguing about Americans speaking English because they speak it well their pronunciation of some words are very irritating but the only thing that is terrible is the change of spellings.
apophos755
#66
On a lighter note......
Mishy
#67
That was funny. ;D
Cahos Rahne Veloza
#68
Viewing things from an outsider to the UK & America, what pisses me off is here in my country, the corporate world has this twisted view that American English should be the "standard" form of English that we should use, when in truth there shouldn't be any one dominant "English", unless you call out British English as the origin of every variation of it.And I'm thankful to learn that you guys don't seem to care as to how "fluently" one speaks in English as long as what you say can be understood by everyone else. Because quite frankly, I suck in spoken English, my constant fear of getting told off how poorly I speak in English causes me to stutter, lose composure & lose cohision alot.
Loonylion
#69
It can't suck worse than the current generation of english teenagers...
cjdogger
#70
Cahos Rahne Veloza · #68Viewing things from an outsider to the UK & America, what pisses me off is here in my country, the corporate world has this twisted view that American English should be the "standard" form of English that we should use, when in truth there shouldn't be any one dominant "English", unless you call out British English as the origin of every variation of it.And I'm thankful to learn that you guys don't seem to care as to how "fluently" one speaks in English as long as what you say can be understood by everyone else. Because quite frankly, I suck in spoken English, my constant fear of getting told off how poorly I speak in English causes me to stutter, lose composure & lose cohision alot.People don't have the right to tell you off for making some mistakes when speaking, and everybody stutters sometimes or many people with English as a second language pause and say "..err..." but they aren't afraid and they don't get in trouble.
dickycoques
#71
Why are we discussing regional dialects?[quote author=Wikipedia]
English is a West Germanic language which originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the northern Netherlands. Initially, Old English was a diverse group of dialects, reflecting the varied origins of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms of England. One of these dialects, Late West Saxon, eventually came to dominate. The original Old English language was then influenced by two waves of invasion: the first by speakers of the Scandinavian branch of the Germanic language family, who conquered and colonized parts of Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries; the second by the Normans in the 11th century, who spoke Old Norman and ultimately developed an English variety of this called Anglo-Norman. These two invasions caused English to become "mixed" to some degree, though it was never a truly mixed language in the strict linguistic sense of the word, as mixed languages arise from the cohabitation of speakers of different languages, who develop a hybrid tongue for basic communication.Cohabitation with the Scandinavians resulted in a significant grammatical simplification and lexical enrichment of the Anglo-Frisian core of English; the later Norman occupation led to the grafting onto that Germanic core of a more elaborate layer of words from the Romance languages. This Norman influence entered English largely through the courts and government. Thus, English developed into a "borrowing" language of great flexibility, resulting in an enormous and varied vocabulary.
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English is a West Germanic language which originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the northern Netherlands. Initially, Old English was a diverse group of dialects, reflecting the varied origins of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms of England. One of these dialects, Late West Saxon, eventually came to dominate. The original Old English language was then influenced by two waves of invasion: the first by speakers of the Scandinavian branch of the Germanic language family, who conquered and colonized parts of Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries; the second by the Normans in the 11th century, who spoke Old Norman and ultimately developed an English variety of this called Anglo-Norman. These two invasions caused English to become "mixed" to some degree, though it was never a truly mixed language in the strict linguistic sense of the word, as mixed languages arise from the cohabitation of speakers of different languages, who develop a hybrid tongue for basic communication.Cohabitation with the Scandinavians resulted in a significant grammatical simplification and lexical enrichment of the Anglo-Frisian core of English; the later Norman occupation led to the grafting onto that Germanic core of a more elaborate layer of words from the Romance languages. This Norman influence entered English largely through the courts and government. Thus, English developed into a "borrowing" language of great flexibility, resulting in an enormous and varied vocabulary.
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Cahos Rahne Veloza
#72
Loonylion · #69It can't suck worse than the current generation of english teenagers...
cjdogger · #70People don't have the right to tell you off for making some mistakes when speaking, and everybody stutters sometimes or many people with English as a second language pause and say "..err..." but they aren't afraid and they don't get in trouble.These coming from British dudes :)Ha! How I'd like to stick those up the arses of the elitists & preppies here who speak in English & loathe their native tongue.An example:
"Eew! Like stop talking in Tagalog, that is so cheap eew!"
[facepalm]
cjdogger
#73
A language is a form of communication, as long as each other understands then there should be no shame, no language is superior. Tell them that they should not pride themselves over knowing a certain language, the more languages the better, there is no shame in speaking one language because it is less used, I would like to know Tagalog as it would be easier to speak to more people
apophos755
#74
The longer this thread goes I understand that no matter what language you speak........
[facepalm]
is understood universally.I don't think that I've seen a thread with more facepalms in it than this one. :D
[facepalm]
is understood universally.I don't think that I've seen a thread with more facepalms in it than this one. :D
Cahos Rahne Veloza
#75
Oh & not to offend English language lovers...I just realised a few years ago that because of things like Anime & videogames influencing our lives more & more, it seems it's better to learn Nihongo (Japanese) than English. I won't be surprised if in the following decades or even in the next millenium Japanese takes the title of "most widely used language in the world" from English.
iLucky4Lif3
#76
When I saw the word "My people" That makes me think you're saying british are superior. Fix your grammar, eat your "biscuit", fish and chip, and shut the F*** up.... you didn't invent the language, nor did "your people", English is based from MANY language, get your fact straight
Loonylion
#77
I wouldn't criticise other people's grammar when yours isn't perfect either. British English is the original form of English from which all current variants stem, and as it was invented in it's current form by the British, it is indeed our language. The fact that that it was derived from Arabic, Latin and Greek hundreds of years ago is irrelevant to the current discussion.
dickycoques
#78
Do I have to post it again?[quote author=Wikipedia]
English is a West Germanic language which originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the northern Netherlands. Initially, Old English was a diverse group of dialects, reflecting the varied origins of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms of England. One of these dialects, Late West Saxon, eventually came to dominate. The original Old English language was then influenced by two waves of invasion: the first by speakers of the Scandinavian branch of the Germanic language family, who conquered and colonized parts of Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries; the second by the Normans in the 11th century, who spoke Old Norman and ultimately developed an English variety of this called Anglo-Norman. These two invasions caused English to become "mixed" to some degree, though it was never a truly mixed language in the strict linguistic sense of the word, as mixed languages arise from the cohabitation of speakers of different languages, who develop a hybrid tongue for basic communication.Cohabitation with the Scandinavians resulted in a significant grammatical simplification and lexical enrichment of the Anglo-Frisian core of English; the later Norman occupation led to the grafting onto that Germanic core of a more elaborate layer of words from the Romance languages. This Norman influence entered English largely through the courts and government. Thus, English developed into a "borrowing" language of great flexibility, resulting in an enormous and varied vocabulary.
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English is a West Germanic language which originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the northern Netherlands. Initially, Old English was a diverse group of dialects, reflecting the varied origins of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms of England. One of these dialects, Late West Saxon, eventually came to dominate. The original Old English language was then influenced by two waves of invasion: the first by speakers of the Scandinavian branch of the Germanic language family, who conquered and colonized parts of Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries; the second by the Normans in the 11th century, who spoke Old Norman and ultimately developed an English variety of this called Anglo-Norman. These two invasions caused English to become "mixed" to some degree, though it was never a truly mixed language in the strict linguistic sense of the word, as mixed languages arise from the cohabitation of speakers of different languages, who develop a hybrid tongue for basic communication.Cohabitation with the Scandinavians resulted in a significant grammatical simplification and lexical enrichment of the Anglo-Frisian core of English; the later Norman occupation led to the grafting onto that Germanic core of a more elaborate layer of words from the Romance languages. This Norman influence entered English largely through the courts and government. Thus, English developed into a "borrowing" language of great flexibility, resulting in an enormous and varied vocabulary.
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Loonylion
#79
yes and wikipedia is a reliable source... Besides, you bolded the wrong part. if you read on it says English came from the Anglo-Saxons and was influenced by the Norsemen and Normans. The Saxons were the original inhabitants of England.
dickycoques
#80
Yes, it is.
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